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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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Whackitupto200 · 08/07/2019 09:27

JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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Goosefoot · 20/07/2019 13:56

Do you all think that the reaction from the world (those who actually ARE reacting, I mean) would be the same if JY was a well-mannered, non-racist person who had brought the case against middle-class white women? Who was making exactly the same point but in a nice, "reasonable" way? Because that's still the exact same issue in question.

I'm not sure, I have wondered if that might not be better TBH.

As it is, people look at him and say, he is both malevolent and crazy. No normal person would try and push things so far, make the argument that a woman waxing female genitals in a home should be required to touch a penis, even if it is a women's penis. Sane trans people would respect their boundaries.

If it was a more rational seeming person who was making that argument, it might be a lot more obvious that it is just the logical conclusion of TWAW.

As far as this does peak people, it's not JY the crazy person, it is that the system is actually allowing it to go this far.

TheInebriati · 20/07/2019 13:57

This is Morgane Ogers take on forcing women to touch male genitals, even after evidence has been given that a percentage of men get excited and demand sex services.

Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)
DanaPhoenix · 20/07/2019 13:59

What a fucking grub.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 20/07/2019 14:14

Another here who has found an unexpected appreciation for Kiwi Farms off of the Yaniv debacle. They use some really derogatory terms but they do it to everyone, including themselves, and I've often seen them call out genuine sexism/racism. They also have zero tolerance for fake news, and there appears to be a culture of freely admitting when they get stuff wrong. Everything has to have a source and be archived.
If I were to pick a stereotype, they remind me of the type of bright but snarky boys from my school days who just couldn't resist arguing with everyone. Didn't matter which position they took as long as they could challenge you to justify your own. Annoying as hell, but you had to think about why you thought something.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/07/2019 14:20

Would the ogre want to touch a strange mans willy for minimum wage for the mans own sexual/personal thrills? I suspect not.

Michelleoftheresistance · 20/07/2019 14:24

Women should 'grow up' and not have boundaries..... yet more demands that women just accept abuse nicely and stop their ridiculous expectation that they should be allowed boundaries and the word 'no' from someone who views women as a sex class beneath contempt.

FannyCann · 20/07/2019 14:28

Yup. "Grow up". "Learn to cope with it" What times we live in.

teawamutu · 20/07/2019 14:51

turtles couldn't agree more.

And given the craven capitulation of all the people I've traditionally thought of as 'on my side' to the TRA agenda, it has been a valuable educational experience to see the 'baddies' being the only ones calling out gross abuse of women's rights.

raisinsraisinsraisins · 20/07/2019 14:56

Setting aside the obvious fact that JY’s mother is obviously racist, I do maybe possibly feel sorry for her, and feel that maybe she has some learning difficulties and has been manipulated by her son.

JY has previously written some years ago that they don’t like their mother, and only their father understands them.

Now that their father has died they are now close to their mother seeing her 24 hours a day! It sound like JY has almost replaced his father, and his mother has moved from a relationship with their husband to now having a disfunctional and abusive relationship with their child.

horseshit · 20/07/2019 16:33

After reading that transcript... JY’s pathological lying, complete ineptitude and inability to even remember their own lies from 10 minutes ago would have me howling under literally any other circumstances, but I just feel sorry for the women who were victimised. They’ve lost their businesses, been harassed, taken a hit to their mental health... all for a case that practically lends itself to the no true Scotsman argument. Not to mention the women who settled in mediation just to be left alone. It’s just so, so sad.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/07/2019 16:43

The women should sue.

Popchyk · 20/07/2019 16:49

And this is just one person who has had such a terrible effect on dozens on women. Lost businesses, depression, feeling that they have to move, feeling that they had to settle this predator's claims before being hauled to court.

And made many other women very frightened, no doubt. Particularly poor women, immigrant women, women whose English is not good. Every single card is stacked against them.

JY will have hundreds of victims before JY is stopped.

Because he won't stop voluntarily.

Why would he stop? That's how he makes his living now. Getting sexual pleasure from harassing women and making money off it. There's a person who really loves his job.

No doubt other predators will be taking note and seeing how the state supports them in harassing women. And will now act accordingly in their own neighbourhoods.

And remember that they will be able to do so anonymously.

The publication ban of JY's name came about originally because the Member accepted that transwomen are subject to a lot of violence (she cited Oger's "research"), and therefore JY's name was to be kept out of the press.

These predators will be able to act anonymously if they don't shoot themselves in the foot by subsequently talking about the case on social media.

JackyHolyoake · 20/07/2019 16:49

What is astonishing to me is this:

we have here someone who everyone else knows is a man who is aiming to compel women to touch his genitalia against their will.

Where are the men who should be protesting against this?

breakfastpizza · 20/07/2019 16:56

Ricky Gervais chiming in on Twitter. I'm dying. Grin

horseshit · 20/07/2019 17:08

It also highlights how delicate the balance of a tribunal like this really is - a PP said it wasn’t subject to the same burden of proof, ie beyond reasonable doubt. Makes sense when you think about how very few cases will be as clear cut as “I’m firing you because you are a woman, and I hate women”. At the same time it has allowed JY to state they have a penis, a vulva, both, a secret transgender identity until adult life, a diagnosis “as a girl” since the age of six, menstruation since their teens yet a dire need for “gender affirming” cosmetic procedures. All without a simple medical exam confirming what type of genitals JY really has.

But to be fair, since JY stated having male genitals to almost all of his victims, I would expect the Member to take that into consideration - JY supposedly having a vulva or being intersex (Hmm) never factored into the women’s original decisions to refuse service, because they weren’t given that information, true or not.

GirlDownUnder · 20/07/2019 17:20

What is astonishing to me is...

All of this. I mean, it's nuts. It's dystopian, and dysfunctional, and dangerous

And it seems the rest of the world is nodding along like plastic puppets - the lobbyists, and politicians, handmaids, and seemingly deaf men - oh except the men of the women affected, they're kinda vocal cos it's 'their' women being affected.

Morgane Oger is distancing but can't help themselves in telling woman to 'suck it up' (pretty literally), while they try and arse cover on the way out.

No true Scotsman indeed.

The women should sue I really hope they do, and I really hope JCCF offers pro bono.

MsSafina · 20/07/2019 17:41

Funny how right wing people have no problem condemning this. I had a peak at a site that was set up by Guido Fawkes ex posters and they were discussing the case too, saying he was a disgusting pervert.

raisinsraisinsraisins · 20/07/2019 17:41

GirlDownUnder - I think it’s because most people in positions of power are men, and I think that many men just don’t see what the problem is. If the roles were reversed I’m sure that most men wouldn’t mind doing treatments on a naked woman who says she’s a man. That’s because men are not threatened by being alone with a naked woman and maybe wouldn’t mind having to intimately touch her body!

BitOfFun · 20/07/2019 18:10

@GirlDownUnder, sorry I'm late checking this thread! Do you mean this Twitter thread?

Destinysdaughter · 20/07/2019 18:10

'Groin waxing case makes a mockery of human rights'. Absolutely! Good article in National Post.

nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-b-c-groin-waxing-case-is-a-mockery-of-human-rights/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Floisme · 20/07/2019 18:14

Apologies if I’ve missed it but is there a crowdfunder for these women? Or any way really of offering practical support?

FeministCat · 20/07/2019 18:22

MrsSnippyPants

WEP founder member still struggling to tell her arse fro her elbows

twitter.com/kirsteinrummery/status/1151955706863607819?s=21

The responses though are heartwarming. They are giving her no leeway at all on her dismissal of this as trans rights and her attempt to distance from JY.

GirlDownUnder · 20/07/2019 18:29

BOF exactly and perfect, and never late 

Thank you 😊

FormerMediocreMale · 20/07/2019 19:07

The Tatiana and Ricky gervais thread Grin

boatyardblues · 20/07/2019 20:24

Funny how right wing people have no problem condemning this. I had a peak at a site that was set up by Guido Fawkes ex posters and they were discussing the case too, saying he was a disgusting pervert.

Interesting to hear this case has broken out of the Twitter-sphere and is now being debated more widely. I also noticed that someone had posted a link to the Farm’s JY thread on that Titania McGrath/Ricky Gervais thread. Is JY about to “blow the bloody doors off” ‘no debate.’

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