JY on the radio again, arguing his case. From the farmers:
So far:
Karlene: "I got slammed on Twitter for going way to easy on Jessica Yaniv" and she included his deadname. OH SHIT. She's going through his old racist Facebook posts and mentioned the tampons. Sounds like she actually read some of the shit people linked her to. He admits to the racism but denies the tampon stuff.
ETA: She's defending Lindsay here - "Why would you attack a woman's genitalia on social media?" Jonathan tries to interrupt her but Karlene's not as easy to talk over as respondents at the HRT.
Paraphrasing JY: "The JCCF says I'm getting a brozilian and that's misgendering me" the logic lmao
Karlene: "You ought to apologize to the immigrant community... Talking about immigrants being dirty, talking derogatory about immigrants - that's disgraceful"
JY: "I'm not lying about that"
Karlene boots him off the air. Bless her.
Dr. Alicia Hendley is calling in now. She is pointing out that even if Jon hasn't won any money, getting money is still his goal. Underlines that he has chosen to target immigrants, ESL speakers, etc. Karlene points out that some salons don't service black hair, etc. so expecting total service from every service provider is unfair.
Guy called in, talked about how the government compelling people to touch genitalia is like sexual assault - Karlene backs off that point a bit. He adds that Jon has a pattern of boundary violations, which she agrees with. The ad break immediately goes to an ad narrated by a gentleman with a heavy Indian accent which might be accidental, but it's truly hilarious. I hope JY hates it.
Back from ads.
Karlene: "There are many layers to Jessica Yaniv" Jon is Shrek? "Jon compared business owners to Neo-Nazis... What is that about? A Neo-Nazi?!"
Jay Cameron on! Pointing out the damage this case has done to respondents - businesses closing, depression, marital difficulties, etc. Karlene questions if services should be compulsory for providers working out of their own home. "Is that fair?" Jay says that's the central issue in these cases. "Our position is that it would be an act of tremendous oppression... to require women to provide waxing services to male genitalia... It would be beyond the bottom of the rabbit hole." Jay points out that the issue isn't about gender identity, but that they don't provide the service.
Karlene is deeply concerned about the HRT process: "people refer to it as 'kangaroo courts'... targeting small businesses... holding them hostage to the process, where once you're caught up in the process, it costs thousands of dollars of legal fees. You are automatically presumed to be guilty from the get-go."
Jay says that having an HRT case open against you in today's climate is almost worse than criminal court - being accused of being a bigot or a transphobic person has social stigma. Mentions the 26 lawyers dismissing one respondent. "Many lawyers don't want to touch these types of cases... In some ways it's like having a conviction." Karlene mentions covering a case where a Burlington business owner once told a man not to smoke a joint in his restaurant and was taken to Ontario's HRT for huge $ prior to blanket non-smoking laws. Jay summarizes the dismissed complaints (the ones available on the BCHRT website) and suggests that dropping a supposedly serious human rights complaint shows questionable intent. Jay gets to elevator-pitch the JCCF's non-denominational mission of protecting constitutional rights.
"Jessica Yaniv... is not well liked in some circles." Ad break! Call in if you want. 416-640-0200. Ad copy: "It's a great time to get wrecked". Hahaha.
Back from ads. Karlene deadnames Jessica, says she had good reason to want a publication ban. Says JY "alleged to have made comments about little girls, and helping little girls to insert tampons, but all over social media that is being tweeted and re-tweeted and re-tweeted, time and time again." Mad about his shit talk to Lindsay Shepherd re: her genitals when genitals are relevant to his case. "Why would he be attacking a woman on Twitter and attacking her genitalia? Why would you engage in an attack against a woman's genitalia?" Pointing out hypocrisy as Jessica identifies as woman. Reads out his racist tweet posted as Jonathan which he JUST confirmed was him on air earlier: "I joined a girl's gym because I don't want issues with these people". Points out that he doubled down. "This is disgraceful."
"I think Jessica Yaniv sought out immigrant business owners... because the intent was to punish them and drag them through the Human Rights Commission process." She's 100% correct!
Points out that services for trans women may be harder to find outside of Toronto, "but should people be forced to do it? That's the legal question hanging here. That is what is being adjudicated here at the BC Human Rights process. And why would Jessica Yaniv accuse a business owner of being a Neo-Nazi? There seems to be no boundaries in what Jessica Yaniv says and how she targets people. It's a problem." Taking calls.
Back from ads. Karlene reading this Post Millenial article, recommends reading their article and the National Post one. Says offering services is good business, but shouldn't be compulsory. Tells Jessica to stop being a racist and stop attacking women lol "STOP IT!" End of show.