Mhairi Black

[Iggypoppie]

This short film with Mhairi reading out (mostly respectful) comments from women is really sad. I have always admired her but like many politicians she is unable to comprehend the issues women are raising. She says there is no evidence or legitimacy in our concerns. Oh well.

twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1146476340864081920?s=20

What a shallow video, she didn't give any real evidence or rational or logical framework for her views. And some of her arguments just ridiculous - how can anyone seriously counter the argument that women don't want to be naked in front of men, by saying, you don't have a right to your own room, honey. It's absurd. it completely fails to understand women's experiences.

I think her summing up of 'be nice' said it all really. Misogyny summed up in two words: girls and women, remember the core duty is to 'be nice' - don't assert yourself or your boundaries or your views, ' be nice'.

There are very very few women now who have never worked.

Yes, but you said a 'specified length' of work. The longer the specified time, the more likely it is that women with children would be affected. I think that a minimum age of somewhere between 25 and 30 would mean that people have sufficient maturity to cope with the job.

I would consider being a mother and raising children as a legitimate role that would cover the requirement for previous proper jobs

I agree. If this was included under 'employment' then there wouldn't be an issue.

It is an immense task for a young MP who's never had a 'proper' job.
23 year old Charles Kennedy who was superb, until the drink got to him.
Contrary to the populist moans, the workload is immense, something any politics graduate ought to be aware of before standing.

She has always been high on the bullshit scale. As others said, she's pushed this "I'm a working class chip shop worker who became an MP" but it is utterly disingenuous. She's from the posh bit of Paisley, her dad wasn't just a teacher he ran his own education business, and she worked in a chip shop while doing her politics degree at Glasgow university. Her achievements in becoming an MP at such a young age were impressive enough, she didn't need to bullshit her way through. That she did, combined with her terrible parliamentary record and constituency responding rate says all you need to know about Ms Black.

Have you seen the number of likes? Nearly 6k. It makes me feel like we're fighting a losing battle sad

She has 160 000 followers. I'm not on twitter so I don't know what 6k likes means in the context of her number of followers. Is 6k a lot or a bit poor given how many follow her?

Have there been any challenges from other SNP MPs / MSPs?

Reminds me of Gordon Brown and 'bigotgate' -at least his contempt was inadvertently overheard not an in you face performance. She can't unsay this.

Have there been any challenges from other SNP MPs / MSPs?

SNP official twitter feed has even retweeted it.

WIngs is onto it mind.

twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1146809434074734593

Have you seen the number of likes? Nearly 6k. It makes me feel like we're fighting a losing battle sad

I doubt they are all from the UK.

The reference to racism might be related to her response to tweets made when she was 14 being dug up.

Now dragging up tweets by a 14 year old probably isn't fair but Black's response was ,in a Holyrood article , to describe the people who did it as “plastic Irishmen”

www.theirishvoice.com/news/mhairi-blacks-reference-to-plastic-irishmen-is-totally-unacceptable-for-a-member-of-parliament/

Hugh Henry [former Labour MSP] was in the news saying that I was a bigot and that was the irony of it, all these plastic Irishmen tweeting me dug’s abuse and saying that I’m anti-Catholic and I’m like, ‘my mother’s got 13 brothers, my granny took me to Mass every day, have you seen the chains I wear?’ But there was no vehicle for me to say that, to fight back, and then there was a big bit of me thinking it’s none of your bloody business so why should I justify myself?

I don't know what a "plastic Irishman" is. The gist seems to be that "plastic Irish" have no business identifying as Irish if they are not actually in Ireland.

Jared O’Mara is another example of a rubbish young MP.

I love her! Mumsnet is VERY trans phobic.

Someone is not going to go through the difficult transition of becoming a woman just so they can abuse other women in a toilet. If a man was a pervert or a danger there are much easier methods to access woman than going though a sex change. So why are these people been targeted as such a threat?

I find it insane that women are pretending to be genuinely scared that a transgender person is going to harm them in some way.

They want to use the female toilet because they are female!!! They were just born with the wrong genitals.

Sick of all this transphobia on every other post!!!! Be more open minded and understanding of other people.

If a man was a pervert or a danger there are much easier methods to access woman than going though a sex change.

Strewth, how much longer do we have to put up with this uninformed idiocy?

You don't have to do anything, fuck all, to say you are a woman.

But@Chickenwing that's the whole point - the new Scottish legislation there is no transition required. You just say you'd like to be recognised as a woman please and that's it.

That was to @Chickenwing

I'm a woman. I have female genetalia. Why is a transperson more danger to you than me? Why can I pee next to you? It's sexist. Call yourselves feminists?? Feminism is supposed to be about EQUALITY of the sexes.

Ah. The internalised misogyny in Scotland. She has absorbed it. There is a weird kind of trope in Scotland, in our popular culture...bear with me. I’m trying to express why I think this has taken hold among some folk, this idea that women are daft for fearing males. So there is in popular culture this idea of the “feisty woman” who is strong, and aggressive, and probably henpecks her husband. Remember Rab C Nesbitt. Rev IM Jolly and the dour wife. The Panto Dames of my childhood, old men dressed in drag. Isa from Still Game, bantering. Ma Broon, and Daphne. Big Mags in Cornton Vale. When you have a mental image of a transwoman as an effeminate, possibly gay, young lad dressed in traditionally female garb, taking hormones and/or en route to surgery (as many folk on the street in Scotland do have), you can see how you might think such a person couldn’t possibly pose a risk to our feisty Scottish women. In fact, it isn’t too much of a stretch to think that such feisty women might even be able to protect the trans person....

All the lols at chicken wing.

Someone is not going to go through the difficult transition of becoming a woman just so they can abuse other women in a toilet

They don't have to. Just say the words 'I identify as a woman'. That'll get 'em a pass.

See Datun's pictures of male bodied people who have already done so.

If you believe that TWAW then you also firmly believe that Yaniv is a woman too. No exceptions.

Chickenwing.

1. "Someone is not going to go through the difficult transition of becoming a woman just so they can abuse other women in a toilet. If a man was a pervert or a danger there are much easier methods to access woman than going though a sex change."

• A man does not need to go through any transition to use a women's toilet or be considered a woman. All he needs to do is declare himself a woman. (Please note I'm using male pronouns because we're talking about what a man would need to do to access women's facilities)

1. "I find it insane that women are pretending to be genuinely scared that a transgender person is going to harm them in some way."

• It is male people that women are scared of, not transgender people. You may think we are wrong to be scared, but we are not pretending. Do you really think that academics are putting up with harassment and ostracisation so they can "pretend" to have concerns? Do you always think women are pretending when they say they're afraid of male people?

1. "They want to use the female toilet because they are female!!! They were just born with the wrong genitals."

Female is a sex category, it refers to your physical sex. If someone has dysphoria, they may profoundly feel that they should have been born the other sex, but that's not the same as being the other sex. If they really were the sex they wanted to be, they wouldn't be trans.

1. "Be more open minded and understanding of other people."

• You don't seem to have taken the time to understand gender critical people. I'd recommend you watch the Youtube videos from A Woman's Place UK meetings.

@Chickenwing
Please enlighten us as to exactly what makes a transwoman female?
I am all ears.

"Be more open minded and understanding of other people"
Transwomen are not being exactly understanding of female homosexuality, are they? Are they?

Chicken

You are entitled to believe someone’s declaration of actually being their preferred sex if you so wish. I don’t believe it at all.

I wouldn’t expect a non Muslim to observe Ramadam; nor should you expect me to believe someone can actually change sex. It’s opressive.

I don’t want to get changed next to a transwoman in a communal changing room for the same reason I don’t want to get changed next to my brother: dignity and privacy.

And yes I don’t trust unknown males no matter what their gender identity or gender reassignment status. And I’m entitled to discriminate about who I get changed next to based on either their sex or their gender reassignment status because I have sex-based rights.