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The kid who argued that there are only two “genders” permanently expelled.

178 replies

Evenquieterlife33 · 02/07/2019 17:05

So the story of the child who stuck to his guns and argued that there are only two genders, ( I’m thinking read sex here.) and recorded the conversation with the member of staff who argued that “not all policies are scientific.” Has now been permanently expelled according to twitter. Wtf. I’m sure the school will say hi him can’t have children recording staff. God forbid the outside world might know what kids are being indoctrinated into.

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andyoldlabour · 03/07/2019 13:11

There is some more information in this article.

www.ukcolumn.org/article/battle-mearns-academy

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/07/2019 13:44

The teacher was acting like saying ‘there’s only 2 genders’ was like some horrible bit of racism. All the ‘keep those views at home’ stuff

Bonkers attitude

jhuizinga · 03/07/2019 14:11

Mearns Academy serves a fairly rural area. I wonder how many locals disagree with Murray (I'm guessing not many).

Apollo440 · 03/07/2019 14:12

The school's Twitter account us full on TRA, Queer theory bollox. Retweeting 81% increase in trans hate incidents (misgendering and limericks included). It's as if the school is run by Queer theorists.

Moominfan · 03/07/2019 14:17

Does anyone have a link to the crowd fund raiser?

If I was him mum I'd be so proud

JessicaWakefieldSV · 03/07/2019 14:22

The school's Twitter account us full on TRA, Queer theory bollox.

Yeah it really really is, to a disturbing degree for an educational institution. I almost want to crowd fund a private education for this wonderful young man.

2Rebecca · 03/07/2019 14:22

Its below the youtube video linked to near the beginning if you open up the comments beneath it

2Rebecca · 03/07/2019 14:27

I gave money because he's not much older than my son who I could see behaving similarly.
It's appalling of the council to say he's not expelled because he is over 16. They've excluded him from his final school year when he does uni applications and needs a statement and predicted grades from his school and has his final exams. It shows a deficiency in our education system that schools dont have an obligation to provide education until 6th year (Scottish system) if pupils wish it

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 14:27

People really, really need to wake up to the reality of Queer Theory. It's staggering that this stuff is in our schools.

Popchyk · 03/07/2019 14:33

I'd hold off on contributing to the crowdfunder personally. For a while at least.

Was it set up by that I, Hypocrite guy? And he is in the US?

Can a 17 year old even benefit from a crowdfunder? Legally he is a minor for a start. And he's on another continent.

And maybe the school will back down anyways.

The waters are just a bit muddy for me. I'll wait until things become a bit clearer.

Of course people are free to think differently.

wibbletooth · 03/07/2019 14:37

Somebody needs to get the exam board they use involved to show what is in the syllabus about this, typical questions on this part of the syllabus, expected proper answers and scoring scheme, along with an answer based on the info taught at this school and the (poor!) score it would receive if written as an answer in the exams..,

Hopefully it will show that the school is failing its pupils by teach them this wrong information and it will be forced to retract and admit they were wrong...

OvaHere · 03/07/2019 14:38

What is going on with the twitter accounts?

This is the official one (according to bio) which looks as you would expect from a school

twitter.com/MearnsAcademy

Then there is this one which is full of Queer stuff but I'm assuming is unofficial - so who is running it?

twitter.com/MearnsRMPS

Birdsfoottrefoil · 03/07/2019 14:43

Popchyk legally he is an adult.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 03/07/2019 14:46

Exam board: www.sqa.org.uk/sqa/70972.html

MockerstheFeManist · 03/07/2019 14:47

In UK Law, a child is anyone under 18.

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 14:50

There seems to be an influx of "LGBT" (read T, or Queer Theory for that) separate twitter accounts for numerous organisations, and run by the sort of person who slings the word 'terf' at women.

Every police force seems to have one.

The Libdems, Labour etc.

Universities

The RAS - recently a topic of a thread on here. (@RoyalAstroSoc & @RAS_diversity)

It's out of control. They seem to be almost completely unaccountable (although I think they removed the guy running the Goldsmiths one - when he talked seriously about sending women to gulags for re-education!)

MockerstheFeManist · 03/07/2019 14:53

MearnsRMPS in old money would be the RE Dept.

If it's official, it does not seem to show the appropriate balance you would expect from such a source.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 03/07/2019 14:59

In Scotland you are an adult at 16

IsThatYourOverbite · 03/07/2019 15:00

I think Mearns Academy have behaved abysmally.

Suspending pending decision as long as he doesn't speak to the press and then when he toes that line they extend the suspension to the start of the summer hols and then ditch him for 6th year leaving him with no time to sort alternatives since the other schools are closed for the holidays.

Bunch of self serving shitein bastards.

Not only are they doing their best to fuck up this kid's exam years but they are leaning heavily on the assumption this will all blow over and be forgotten before the start of the next school year and of course the end of parliament's summer recess.

Fuck that, we need the politician's involved to sort this out and no a summer holiday won't wash this stink away.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 03/07/2019 15:01

Hence Gretna Green being a runaway marriage destination for English teens.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/07/2019 15:05

The school have behaved abysmally and with no sense of their responsibility or duty of care towards a young man on their roll.

MockerstheFeManist · 03/07/2019 15:06

In Scotland you are an adult at 16

No

In UK Law a child is anyone under 18

CharlieParley · 03/07/2019 15:12

Interesting how hard the teacher tries with his appeals to the law and authority to force a teen to back down from a stated belief. In a democratic country, the law and authority regulate actions and to an extent speech. But the thoughts and beliefs of individual citizens are not in the remit of the power that the people confer on the apparatus of a democratic state.

Falsehoods the teacher uses to gaslight the boy:

  • the law says there are more than two genders (here used in the sense of sex - male and female).

To date no Scottish or UK law exists that states there are more than two sexes. On the contrary, the law we do have specifically refers to only two sexes.

There is also to date no law that specifies that there are more than two genders (in the gender identity meaning of the word).

  • that Murray is acting contrary to school inclusion policies by stating there are only males and females.

Inclusion policies normally regulate actions towards and statements about other people. All bets are off here, of course, given the concerning state of its social media posts, but it remains a fact that the boy refers to an option given on a specific, non-school website which asks whether a user is male or female. Please note also that Murray makes no positive or negative statements at all about self-identification of sex or gender.

  • there is no such thing as a National School Authority in Scotland. Therefore there is no such thing as a policy held by such an authority that would forbid a pupil from holding the belief that there are only two sexes.

Obviously there is a Department for Education, there is a school inspectorate etc but there is no national school authority because all state schools in Scotland are owned by each local authority who are the only education authority directly controlling a school.

Even more obvious is the fact that Murray's beliefs are protected via three legal frameworks:

  1. the Equality Act which protects belief and disbelief;
  1. Article 14 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child which protects a child's right to Freedom of Belief, Freedom of Thought and Freedom of Conscience. A child can only be stopped from manifesting or exercising these rights if this directly interferes with the rights of others (which was not the case here);
  1. Article 9 - Freedom of Thought, Conscience and Religion - and Article 10 - Freedom of Expression - of the European Convention on Human Rights. (The same caveats apply as per item 2.)

Of course the school will justify the exclusion with its media policy, but the teacher's claim that Murray is not entitled to express his views when he did so without attacking or infringing on the rights of others is contentious.

In light of the number of children allowed to stay in Scottish schools despite displaying far more serious behaviours, I'd be very tempted to seek legal review.

Needmoresleep · 03/07/2019 15:25

That Twitter feed!

I wonder where the support comes from? Beyond Head of Department, I would thought. Presumably Head and/or Governors. So the teacher may have little choice but to drink the Kool Aid or be 'expelled' himself. No wonder he suggested Murray made a formal complaint.

Murray sounds like a great, bright, questioning teen.

This will make a better test case than those led by religious parents, even though both are protesting the same dogma. I now need to find the crowd funder. I dont see Murray being easily manipulated.

CharlieParley · 03/07/2019 15:33

The age of majority in Scotland is indeed 18, but it's complicated by the fact that the age of legal capacity is 16.

By an Act of the UK Parliament that only applied to Scotland, the age of majority was lowered from 21 to 18 in 1969 and in 1991 another such act decreed that the age of legal capacity in Scotland is 16. IIRC, the latter did not cancel out the former.