Supporting our lesbian sisters THREAD EDITED BY MNHQ AT OP'S REQUEST

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In response to this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3621239-Being-a-homosexual-female-in-a-community-of-queer-people-transbians-and-penis-inclusionary-lesbians

I want to create a new thread to invite our lesbian sisters to tell non lesbian women how we can help support them and be allies to them through the current struggle and abuse from within their own community. I don’t have anything specific in mind and would love it to be led by those that need support, in whatever form that may be.

It should go without saying (but just in case anyone is tempted to do otherwise) that this is support for biological women who are same sex attracted and nothing else.

It's a shame after 40 years women still aren't being listened to Lang.

Isn't it just.

Whatis I reported, and sorry you and any other lesbians reading had to deal with that derail. Some people are bizarrely lacking in empathy.

I understand lesbians are less than 1 per cent of all women (much less than for gay men)... so hardly surprising there might be more posts by non-lesbians

Meanwhile AGP affects up to 3 per cent of adult males. It explains a lot.

Solidarity to you and all 💚

NC centric) is a young lesbian who was a transman for a few years - here are her words

Definitely a lot of imagining there

No imagining. This is real.

The “gobby lesbian” I know has DMs full of young lesbians who cannot even “like” a tweet, as their accounts are monitored for Wrongthink.

Meanwhile her mentions are full of TRAs trying to silence lesbians.

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Bernard total aside and in response to can you guys see me from aaaages ago, I just want to confirm I always see you.
I think that's because you also have the words wine and icelolly in your name

I'll go back to reading this thread and lurking

god those tweets 2B

it's not a numbers game. that happening to even one woman is fucking awful

women need to be free to be same sex attracted without being hassled by males

and thank you for confirming my continued existence Girl - such a relief

in weather like this I often think of Bernard and his wine ice lolly

Hi all,
Just to say that we can see that this thread has been somewhat derailed of late and we have suggested that rather than go over the same point again and again on a thread with such a clearly stated aim, anyone wishing to bring up related thoughts should begin a new thread (and feel welcome to post the link on this as a final post).
We won't on this occasion consider that a TAAT, don't worry!

Good solution, thanks Hope

I, for one, will continue to point out that sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under equality law. Based on sex.

And that it does not just apply to lesbianism. If you want to take on lesbianism, and claim it should involve men, then you're going to have to take on every gay man, every straight man and every straight woman, too.

Anyone who disagrees that sexual orientation is based on sex, has an agenda. (And it never ceases to amaze me how transparent they are. Why are they never urging straight women to date transmen? I mean we all know why, it doesn't validate them. But it's amazing how they don't realise how obvious they are).

And getting straight women to date other females doesn’t stamp down on female rejection of the mighty penis, does it?

Which is really what the male obsession with lesbians is all about, regardless of the gender presentation of the males in question

Test, as it looks like MNHQs post on this thread from this morning has been lost

Hi all!
It looks like my earlier post about derailing is appearing and disappearing right now so I'm just here to say (to no one's great surprise) that we're having technical problems and threads are appearing in a re-ordered way, which can make it look like someone has just posted but if you check the clock it was last night (!)
All we can do is hope you see this post, who knows where it will land!

Oh, look at that HopeMumsnet, I can see you!

this thread is getting pretty metaphysical

Help us BernardBlacksIceLolly, you're our only hope...

It's not fair!

HA!

Not been following the thread but catching up.

Regarding lesbian groups, Thomasin who is a de transitioned young woman and lesbian and was interviewed by GNC Ben recently, found it hard to find any non t inclusive lesbian groups when she first started to realise she was lesbian. She also struggled to get her head around why she didn't feel attracted to trans women which was the start of it all unravelling.

Another young de transitioned woman I've recently met cited a severe lack of lesbian and gnc female role models growing up.

I've been listening / reading a lot and trying hard to speak up about the L. Making lesbians more visible in any relevant conversations I have. Dropping it in that the L is being erased or similar terms appropriate to the context. I hope this helps.

Bumping, in light of Leeds parade. It looked intimidating - the shouting group looked to be about 90% youngish (gay?) men and I couldn’t even see the scary lesbians they were shouting out!

A question for lesbians. Should straight allies be going to show support for lesbians (like Christians standing outside a mosque after the shooting, or bikies supporting mourners against the Westboro Baptists - not part of the group, but showing solidarity).

Or would that defeat the purpose, which is for lesbians to be proud and visible as a group?

You will get different answers to that depending on who's answering.

I hope the upcoming lesbian strength March is all lesbians.

With pride it's had allies marching for a good while.

And lovely acts of allyship like older people giving 'hugs from a mum' or 'hugs from a dad'.

It might be good to train as a legal observer so that the lesbian women feel more confident.
Or offer to take photographs or tweet.

Main thing so far this pride season is a plea to take along a placard that is as noninflammatory as possible so the lesbian women marching can choose how 'in your face' to be.

'Solidarity with lesbians around the world' or something

Thanks Super

”Solidarity with lesbians”, I like that.

It’s weird how a small group of lesbians, celebrating their own sexuality, is reframed as sooooo threatening that a mob of (mostly) men had to gather round to yell at them. Wouldn’t you just march on by??

Solidarity to all of you 💜💚

The Lesbian Strenght March is for Lesbians but the rally afterward is for Lesbians and female supporters.

Have posted a reminder about this on the original thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3635742-The-Lesbian-Strength-March-and-Rally-Leeds-7-Sept-2019

Oh yes, and that part of the fundraising is to help with fares for those who cant afford to get there - although haven't yet seen how to going about claiming.

Just over a month to go!

I hope what happened last weekend want make women feel unable to come.

oh...superloud, me too.