SCOTTISH GRA REFORM ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD

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It was going to be announced on the 25th - now moved forward to Thursday. Anyone going to join me in the public gallery at Holyrood??

twitter.com/wornoutmumhack/status/1140953953758261248?s=19

And probably in all fairness use of a grandfather clause that all people currently with a GRA can continue the legal fiction awarded them, but no further ones will be issued. No more legal fictions, just acceptance of there being additional provisions in all situations for those who prefer not to use the facilities of their sex. Hospitals, prisons, changing rooms, loos, whatever.

@Michelleoftheresistance This is what so many women don't get, that the trans movement is not benign. They don't want safe third spaces, they want to be validated, and sincerely believe it's our job as women to do this for them. They're so angry we're saying no. I suspect they underestimated women.

Michelle I wish this is how they will proceed, but I have a horrible feeling Nicola will just say, its happened in Malta, Ireland etc etc no problems, so its happening here too. Totally ignoring all facts to the contrary. However, if Nicola plays this properly, she will win so much respect.

Only total capitulation will satisfy the trans-lobby. There will be no room for sensible solutions such as third spaces. I hope this becomes obvious as any bill goes through the Scottish Parliament because it may open the eyes of current agnostics. Allowing daylight on the arguments made by the supporters of self-ID always shows up how lacking in coherence and sense they are. So I hope the issue gets lots of publicity now. Otherwise I really despair for my country.

We need to hammer home that places with self ID are places with horrible histories where women's rights are concerned. And to remember that Ireland's comes with so many exemptions (both absolute and contextual) that it's basically window-dressing - I still wouldn't be happy with window-dressing but it's better than carte blanche! And to make sure that people remember it has to interact with the Equality Act.

And yes, Michelleoftheresistance this is only the beginning. They're not going to give up till they've got total validation. Apparently the public gallery at Holyrood is going to be absolutely packed tomorrow - I suspect STA etc got in there as soon as they saw Jordon's leak. Or earlier, if he gave them a heads-up.

I don't doubt that's exactly why they're so furious that a second round of consultation might be on the cards jhuizinga. They know it's going to play out in public rather than in private and they know that even people who support them but didn't really engage fully will now be watching a much wider, more detailed and two sided debate.

They won't get away with passing everything off as "transphobic" for much longer, I think even they realise it's starting to sound ludicrous. They also won't get away with their lies about "GRA not having any impact on EqA" because the conversation about overlaps and conflicts is becoming much more mainstream. Nobody can answer simple questions about how any of this can be applied in practice. They're also trying hard to push the "what is trans anyway?" question back in its box.

People are paying way more attention, detailed scrutiny is afoot and they don't like it one little bit.

Statement time has changed

its now at 3.30

I am very nervous about this - I’ve voted SNP for years, admire their protection of the nhs and am pro-Indy. However this is a game changer and I will never vote for them again if this gets pushed through. If further consultation is announced then I would be happy with that as it gives us more time, and we know the tide is beginning to turn

Why have they changed the time? Is that to wrong foot women who might have to leave to get children from school? Meaning that the seats are all available for the trans activists?

Its starting to look that way. If its accidental, then it just shows how ignorant they are of the caring responsibilities women have to manage.

That's fine. I'm sure the change will be reported appropriately in the press - as a cynical way of preventing women participating in democratic process and silencing our voices.

Same old, same old.

I was suffering from insomnia in the early hours and am convinced I saw that the boyfriend of an MSP or somesuch had laid bare on Twitter the exact contents and timescale of this forthcoming announcement. Did I dream this or did anyone else see it? I can't find it now. I read about it on FB, as not on Twitter.

Yes. Details on here. Known as wee prick
Jordon on this thread.

Thank you lazymare. Thought I was going mad!

This has also been leaked, which if correct looks quite hopeful IMO?

Going by the order paper, 3.30 or 3.50 is an estimate. There is a sequence if items between 2.00 and 5.30.

bb.parliament.scot/#20190620

and the live feed:

www.scottishparliament.tv/

Going back to Wee Prick Jordan, the FB posts I read said he and his partner could and should be in a police cell for what they'd done in leaking this schedule. Not a lawyer, not Scottish but I know this is outrageous behaviour and if these two don't get into hot water over this, it'll be even more outrageous.

3.30 time came direct from Joan McAlpine. Supposedly the delay is to do with the planning bill but it does feel a little suspect

randompublicjournal.com/2019/06/19/loose-lips-and-leaks-sink-ships/

"Perhaps more worrying is the fact that the leak is wider than Jordon. BBC producer and director of Pinksixty.com, Leeze Lawrence – who has also been engaged in a long-running online campaign against Joan McAlpine and other members of the “GOP,” messaged McAlpine yesterday afternoon accusing her and her “cock of shit bigots” – that would be the “GOP” or biological women concerned about the ramifications of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) on women’s safety – of abusing Jordon, the guy with all the insider information. In her rather pointed message to McAlpine Lawrence claims that “it wasn’t just him [Jordon] that knew this.” The real punch comes at the end, of course: “People came to us.” Us, who’s this “us?” In a nutshell, the BBC’s Lawrence Leeze is telling us – and we know it’s the truth because she knows the details – is that someone right at the heart of the SNP, right inside the inner circle, is leaking private government information to Jordon and to this mysterious “us”"

That's the piece I read, It'sAllGoingToBeFine. I have no idea how a BBC producer is allowed to behave in such a manner. I'm always speechless these days.

AS is crazy if he is leaking stuff via WPJ. Surely his job should be on the line? Maybe he's trying to cosy up to someone for when MEPs have to give up.

let’s bully the women of the movement into accepting laws that frighten them.

This is it in a nutshell.

AS is crazy if he is leaking stuff via WPJ

I agree. AS is one of the more high profile SNP people - I'd be astonished if he would risk everything over this. But this leaking is ridiculous and needs to be stopped.

Watching now.