Use of trans identified male as opposed to transwoman.

[happydappy2]

MNHQ There has been much written recently about how the controlling of the words we use, is very misleading. Many women reject the word transwoman as it can be misunderstood. In light of this, would you reconsider yr guidelines that Trans Identified Male can not be used? It would seem a more factually accurate description of a human male who presents in a stereotypically female way. Thank you.

Is it such a bad thing to allow people to define themselves?

Except women of course, who should only define themselves in terms that alsoinclude men.

I had no idea these words/phrases were banned and I'm really shocked. Why on earth is mnhq controlling legitimate and factual use of language in this way?

Always why should it disappear? MNHQ have already said they will consider this request. Nobody is being disrespectful. we are just asking to be able to use correct language. we are not talking about anyone specifically. Or generalising about a group of people.

I agree OP. I was really angry about the decision all the bannings for using TIM. I think it was a knee jerk reaction and they made the wrong call. Time for a rethink.

For now I think I will use transgender male. That can’t be illegal, can it?

I don't agree. Trans women aren't usurping womanhood, they're adding to the diversity of it. There isn't a single experience but there is a common experience of repression across culture, race and gender identity. Who are we to define who belongs to womanhood when every woman's experience is different to our own

I won’t allow people to bully me into lying, in order to save their feelings. I will use their chosen name, because anyone can change their name. A pronoun is very different, as it relates to a person’s sex. Everyone has the right to live their life as they chose, but not when it removes the rights of those who, by their recognised birth sex are part of a vulnerable group.

Who are we to define who belongs to womanhood when every woman's experience is different to our own

Who are we? Women. I have absolutely no difficulty in defining who belongs to womanhood. Every woman's experience is different, sure, but none of our experiences involve being a man.

This is a good thread; the define red and blue is a good representation.

though my head runs away with various shades of purple which isn't the point

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Language disguises thought: Cis and trans prefixes www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3611272-Language-disguises-thought-Cis-and-trans-prefixes

butterfly please can you explain how men can add to the diversity of womanhood?

Aren’t they broadening the bandwidth of what manhood means?

Transwoman is a noun, not a pronoun.

It makes a distinction away from a (biological) woman.

There is no justification for refusing to use it apart from spite.

I’m totally confused. If a man identifies as a woman we should of course under normal circumstances respect that they are trans identifying.. we are not calling them men.

I didn't say men are adding to the diversity of womanhood.

I think you have an issue with it because you have a dying need to feel superior, kind of like calling me a wanker.

Transwoman is the dictionary definition for a male to female transsexual. Calling them a trans identifying Male is seen as offensive to trans people as you are well aware.

You wish to be known as a woman, as opposed to a cis woman. Both terms are correct in their definition.

If you want to be known as your correct and desired noun, then you should show the same respect to trans individuals. It does not harm you in any way.

Woman is a noun, transwoman is a noun. They are different things.

This is well worth a read:

uncommongroundmedia.com/banned-from-medium-pronouns-are-rohypnol/

Transwoman is the dictionary definition for a male to female transsexual

Well they can't have it both ways surely? If the dictionary definition of women is hate speech then why not the dictionary definition of transwoman?

Maxi we don’t call them men or we get a one way ticket to the culled feminist department by HQ.
And Early I’m sure you shouldn’t have been called a wanker.

there is a common experience of repression across culture, race and gender identity

No there isn't. Women (adult human female) are repressed because of their biology as adult human females, not based on their gender. No feminine men undergo FGM for example.

Every single person I have spoken to thinks Trans woman means a woman has transitioned to male.
The terminology is very confusing for everyone who has not spent a lot of time reading this board.
Even people on the rest of MN don't know because it isn't discussed anywhere else.