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Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 13:05

link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

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HumberElla · 14/06/2019 08:03

I understand he also spoke of his time working at Ann Summers, where he described being very excited by making women feel uncomfortable and embarrassed in the shop when he served them. He got off on that.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 08:08

JM is interviewed in a conversation entitled Fireside chat on youtube where he talks about being introduced to kink and rubber aged 10 by older family friends.

This makes it sound a lot like a repeat of Amy Challenor with someone in a position who really shouldn't because they didn't learn boundaries they should.

resisterpersister · 14/06/2019 08:14

JM is interviewed in a conversation entitled Fireside chat on youtube where he talks about being introduced to kink and rubber aged 10 by older family friends

He talks about his family having relaxed attitudes to talking about sex and going to kink clubs at 15 - but doesn't he say the rubber thing at 10 was to do with wet suits, rather than anything improper?

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 08:17

Going to kink clubs 15...well that makes it OK?

Better than 10 admittedly, but 15 is still a problem...

WhenIsTheEasyBit · 14/06/2019 08:20

It's the defenders who horrify me. And I include the NSPCC themselves in that. Attacking those raising concerns about adult behaviour or weaknesses in vetting processes is utterly out of step with their mission. Combined with failing to offer even a 'we're looking further into this' holding statement, it means that they can no longer be trusted at all.

The changed NSPCC definition of child sex abuse which, as knowledgeable MNers on other threads have pointed out, subtly removes those children who have been groomed into confusion about what is going on, looks sinister. It may not be, but in the current climate of openly MAP accounts all over Twitter, the lack of challenge within institutions such as the Green Party to David Challenor, etc etc, it's not paranoid to wonder.

A PP said she was going to be having a conversation with her DC's headteacher withdrawing DC from an NSPCC assembly. I've sat through several as a teacher. They've all been run by people who appear completely unthreatening and the basic messages are sound. However, this is the base on which trust in the organisation as a whole is built. We're in Schools, we're on the BBC, we're part of the establishment community. Perhaps if very large numbers of us withdrew DCs from fundraising for NSPCC and assemblies run by them, and made clear it was because we had concerns about the NSPCC's approach to safeguarding and defining CSA, we might get some attention focused on what really matters.

plattercake · 14/06/2019 08:22

If this latest wetsuit/rubber stuff is true - does that not fit precisely with the new wording the NSPCC now uses re child sexual abuse only being abuse if the child does not like it? And that if the child 'likes it' (ugh) then whatever happens is ok? So disturbing.

When are people going to wise up about the push-pull between transgressing and normalisation in an unhealthy psychology

resisterpersister · 14/06/2019 08:26

Going to kink clubs 15...well that makes it OK?

No of course not. But It's really important we get the facts right. Implying an Aladult introduced him to fetish at 10 is very different to him having a self discovered rubber kink though exposure to sporting equipment.

resisterpersister · 14/06/2019 08:26

*adult

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2019 08:28

We need a whistle blower from NSPCC.

"Who they gonna call?"

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
resisterpersister · 14/06/2019 08:29

plattercake no I don't think it does.

If all the adults did was hang up wetsuits in a place he could see them (I think that's what he said but need to check) then nothing improper has happened.

Again - not minimising- It's important we don't embellish, the truth is what needs to get out there.

DuMondeB · 14/06/2019 08:30

JFC - if JM had already been reprimanded by the NSPCC 6 months ago, why the fuckity fuck didn’t he at least clean up his online footprint then?

Either his fetish instagram was open to all when that ‘stories’ screenshot was taken (he had at least two Instagram accounts) or it was done by someone who was following the account at the time. If he was reported to the NSPCC by someone he knew from the rubber scene, then they must have concerns beyond what we can see.

Iggypoppie · 14/06/2019 08:32

I think in the video he said he knew he was turned on by rubber from age 10 but probably it was 15 when the family friends became an influence.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 08:34

It's funny, when I read India Willoughby's tweet about there being more to come, I thought Willoughby was merely behind the curve about what had already come out. Now I'm wondering... And that's not good either. Such is my evaporation in trust in the NSPCC.

DuMondeB · 14/06/2019 08:37

The NSPCC are currently making the NUS look good.

At least Jess Bradley was suspended.

Iggypoppie · 14/06/2019 08:37

NSPCC: so woke, so open minded their brains have fallen out?

HT to Magdalen Berns

HumberElla · 14/06/2019 08:38

It’s quite clear that NSPCC will have been a shining, glaring beacon to every twisted individual in the land who wants an ‘in’ to the establishment and vulnerable children. And I’m not talking about JM.

Justhadathought · 14/06/2019 08:40

As long as you can squeeze under the LGBT umbrella or make sure you’re an ally, you are teflon coated

...and this is most definitely regressive for gay rights and acceptance. One you have a very public, and socially sanctioned platform, then what you say and what you do will be legitimately opened up to scrutiny.

If the gay community does not draw its own boundaries, and insist instead that everything is permissible, then it is in for a rough ride.

Justhadathought · 14/06/2019 08:47

I hope The Times will follow up on this. The near media blackout is worrying

I sense a lot of legs, desperately, paddling away beneath the surface.

Justhadathought · 14/06/2019 08:50

I guess all we can really hope is that there is a total shit storm going on behind the scenes whilst they investigate this properly

I suspect so.......Andrew Gilligan?

Influential and connected people have a lot to lose, and will try to cover each others backs. That's what happened with Jimmy Saville. That is what happens everywhere when a scandal threatens to erupt. Lots of complicity in one way or another.

LangCleg · 14/06/2019 09:01

someone in a position who really shouldn't because they didn't learn boundaries they should

Yes.

But all the more serious because the position is at the country's only child protection charity with statutory power.

plattercake · 14/06/2019 09:07

resister yes, I should have been more clear... IF there was a climate of sexualisation at home and/or IF an adult introduced a child to fetish gear and clubs, and then if this child grew up to have public fetish porn-making hobbies whilst also working for a children's safeguarding charity..

then I would suggest that this type of person is exactly the sort of person who might not have an objective awareness of their inappropriate experiences and their own psychology, and who might then say that child sexualisation and/child sexual abuse is only harmful if the child objects..

and who would fail to see risk in others and who would fail to see a problem with MB as a representative..

Behaviour like this does not happen out of nowhere, there is always a context and that is what the NSPCC is supposed to understand better than anyone, and is supposed to be protecting children from.

It is all so depressingly PREDICTABLE. That's why we can and should safeguard against it.

If someone has tried to report their concerns and the NSPCC decided it was all just innocent... well :(

LangCleg · 14/06/2019 09:17

Great post plattercake.

That the NSPCC seems entirely unaware of anything you said links us back to Rosa Freedman's great Twitter thread about safeguarding procedures and policies at institutional level:

twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1139141531565285378

TimeLady · 14/06/2019 09:18

Ali Jeremy, the NSPCC Director of Marketing and Communications, has a lot to answer for here, both (presumably) approving the appointment of Monroe Bergman and the promotion of James Making to his current role (marketing) and the subsequent piss poor response (communications.)

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/about-us/organisation-structure/

TimeLady · 14/06/2019 09:18

Bergdorf (obvs)

Juells · 14/06/2019 09:32

FermatsTheorem I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (HRTFT) but I've been thinking about the experience of the woman (I think a mumsnetter) who contacted the NSPCC about 'gender neutral' toilets in schools, and there was much to-ing and fro-ing and reassuring words from the person she was in contact with, culminating in that NSPCC person tweeting an amusing little anecdote about how he'd had to be polite to a terf.

That he felt confident enough to put that out there on twitter hints at an attitude permeating the whole organisation, that women are silly, hysterical, just say anything to get rid of them if they contact with safeguarding worries.