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Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2

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R0wantrees · 13/06/2019 13:05

link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

NSPCC statement by CEO Peter Wanless
www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/munroe-bergdorf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

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hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 09:29

For those interested in learning about the trajectory of the Masters and Johnson brand, the below articles represent the entry to an especially fascinating and horrible rabbit hole involving the brainwashing of vulnerable patients, false allegations of satanic ritual abuse, diagnoses of dissociative identity disorder and much, much more

They refer to Dr. Mark Schwartz and Lori Galperin who were directors at the Masters and Johnson Trauma units at Two Rivers Psychiatric Hospital in Kansas City and also at River Oaks Hospital in New Orleans.

books.google.co.uk/books?id=DJtDSjG8BYQC&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=%22masters+and+Johnson%22+galperin&source=bl&ots=VJ547zMBc8&sig=ACfU3U2lzoSGjEM-qvkeKZMsONN4TvLDTw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBlejlheviAhXnDGMBHb2mDLIQ6AEwCnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22masters%20and%20Johnson%22%20galperin&f=false

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190615080334/dadsjourneywithed.blogspot.com/2018/10/castlewood-alsana-treatment.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190615080334/dadsjourneywithed.blogspot.com/2018/10/castlewood-alsana-treatment.html

These videos are also interesting

hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 09:31

Just wanted to share some thoughts on "kink"

Lots of people experiment with varieties of what is now termed "kink". This can range from being beaten on the bottom with the Women's Weekly to much more esoteric practices.

Anyone who has worked as a counsellor, therapist or in sexual health / sexual medicine will understand that these activities are extremely common and prevalent within the general population.

The vast majority of people who enjoy experimenting with the lighter end of the BDSM range of sexual activity do not identify as being "kinky" or involved in "kink".

As readers will no doubt be aware, the 50 Shades of Grey books and films have contributed to the existing interest in BDSM within the general population.

Also various women's and men's lifestyle magazines routinely offer hints and tips on these kinds of activities.

What interests me especially is how the narratives relating to such activities become polarised with, at one extreme, the "kink aware" and "kink positive" promotion of such activities and at the other extreme the promotion of the belief that all such activities are always violence towards women.

Both of these positions are not useful in my opinion as, it is my impression that both positions attempt to prevent thinking or useful discourse around the issue.

At one level it can be understood that "kink" can, at least sometimes, be an escape from thinking and feeling. For some, not all, a flight into fetish and into what can be compulsive sexual behaviour, can be an unconscious attempt to avoid emotional pain via sexual activity - this can of course be true in the case of more conventional sexual activities for some people.

On the other hand the idea that all "kink" is violence towards women is alienating to the vast swathes of the population who enjoy experimenting with such activities in a loving and / or playful manner. I do not believe that it is helpful for feminism to promote this ideology, partly because it is so very alienating to so many ordinary people.

If I was to identify areas where we might all be able to if not agree to at least share some concerns is in the following areas:

  1. The promotion of "kink" and queer theory (the latter being something fairly new to me that I am just getting my head around) as the new normal.
  1. The promotion of hedonistic sexual pleasure as a "birthright" that is placed at the centre of everyone's sense of self. The associated narrative that "your birthright has been stolen from you" is central not only to neo-tantric sex cults and "kink" promoters but also to alt-right / far-right groups and we should pay attention to these narratives and analyse them as best we can.
  1. The commercialisation of sexuality via everything from insanely expensive and occasionally dangerous "toys" and other accessories (I'm looking at you Goop) through to "sexual healing" and "sexual education" classes and intensives very often run by spiritual and / or personal development cults.
  1. The promotion of selfishness and entitlement in relation to current discourses around sexuality that appear in magazines and the MSM
  1. The promotion of selflessness and "how to please your man / woman" narratives in magazines and the MSM
  1. the "rough sex gone wrong" defence used in various criminal trials. It is important to explore this issue because a) sometimes people do die in accidents during consensual sexual activity - I personally know of 2 gay men who died during such activities and also, as we are all painfully aware sometimes predators and murderers will use the RSGW defence to try to avoid justice (in at least one recent criminal trial, a strategy that was entirely successful for the perpetrator IMO).

There is a lot more I would like to say about this, just sharing some thoughts.

hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 09:45

Also I would like to share this astonishing article on the centrally important issue arising from the current crisis with the NSPCC

Not how to safeguard children, not how to use due diligence re employing staff / ambassadors, the article is about how to support staff from crises arising out of their use of social media

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190615054817/www.thirdsector.co.uk/kirsty-marrins-need-talk-social-media-mental-health/digital/article/1587559" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190615054817/www.thirdsector.co.uk/kirsty-marrins-need-talk-social-media-mental-health/digital/article/1587559

SunsetBeetch · 15/06/2019 09:50

James describing the first incident at the NSPCC as "a bit of online tomfoolery", and saying how lucky he is to have open-minded employers...

Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
Potential Systemic Safeguarding failures in NSPCC / Childline illustrated by appointment & ending of relationship with Munroe Bergdorf Thread 2
JessicaWakefieldSV · 15/06/2019 09:52

SunsetBeetch

Oh my god. That’s unbelievable. Seriously NSPCC is not fit for purpose. It scares me how crap they are. What the hell else is going on we don’t know about?

Melroses · 15/06/2019 10:02

and saying how lucky he is to have open-minded employers...

Their brains have fallen out, haven't they? Sad

NeurotrashWarrior · 15/06/2019 10:24

Has anyone else noticed a common theme of how all this often comes back to the art world?

My back ground is in art. Definitely a few phds to be done there...

AncientLights · 15/06/2019 10:29

Sunset that post from the delightful James mentions a Christmas party - in June? Or does that mean it's old? Confused

hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 10:30

Personally I couldn't care less about James's fetishes and related activities.

I do not think that anyone else's consensual, adult sexual activities are my or anyone else's business.

The aspect of this that is deeply shocking is that the culture at the NSPCC is one that is so perverse that its reaction to a senior staff member making an amateur porn film in the NSPCC office toilets and then uploading said film on open sources is to offer him support rather than to discipline him.

This response would be unimaginable for any ordinary charity or organisation other than an organisation that exists as part of the sex industry or as some cult infiltrated aspect of the sexual medicine industry.

The subsequent revelations that 148 staff / volunteers at the NSPCC are up in arms about what they perceive as the bullying and unjust treatment of James further consolidates the perspective that the NSPCC has been infiltrated, to a significant degree, by sinister forces and that the protection of children is not as high a priority for the organisation as the promotion of other agendas.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2019 10:39

James describing the first incident at the NSPCC as "a bit of online tomfoolery", and saying how lucky he is to have open-minded employers...

NSPCC is a Child Protection organisation.

It is required to prioritise the Safeguarding of vulnerable children.
Being 'open-minded' about adult fetish behaviours published online is in direct conflict with this.

There is clearly noone within the 'workplace' (by which I presume NSPCC marketing team with sufficient understanding of Safeguarding & abuse.
This will have an impact on how that team respond to enquiries concerning Safeguarding & will impact the materials, publicity etc that is produced.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 15/06/2019 10:44

A teacher who did this would not be allowed back into the classroom and immediately suspended and not return.

NoSquirrels · 15/06/2019 10:45

Sunset that’s presumably an old post that proves NSPCC knew about his online persona?

ChickenonaMug · 15/06/2019 10:51

AncientLights I am guessing that he posted this after the NSPCC found out in December about some of his online activities. He said that he nearly lost his job then but clearly they are so open minded in a child protection charity that they allowed him to stay. He has had six months to delete everything online but didn't. The problem in this is definitely really the NSPCC and the way they have handled this and other things in recent times.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/06/2019 10:56

Something I have always found deeply icky about all kink and sex-related stuff like this, is the use of the term "playing" when referring to sexual activity between adults.

Under the shadow of the NSPCC apparently now endorsing rubberman to crack on with his "playing" at work, it now feels even more grim.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 15/06/2019 10:58

A teacher who did this would not be allowed back into the classroom and immediately suspended and not return.

I’m sure I read a recent story about a female teacher who had a photo circulated of her topless, she didn’t post in online herself I don’t think... she did indeed lose her job.

OrchidInTheSun · 15/06/2019 11:17

That was in the US Jessica but yes, she did lose her job

hedders · 15/06/2019 11:28

Interesting thoughts, hooda. I agree with you, mostly, that there isn't much of a sensible position on so-called kinky sexual activities in mainstream discourse. It's all very either/or in a way that can't be helpful.

I think that's partly because of the assumption that everyone has a right to sex and should be having sex, when a significant amount of art and literature is about thwarted passion, unfulfilled longing and so on. Sex has become very un-erotic, IMO. Why was Fleabag such a success, even though there was no nudity? Because it was about that tension and the emotions connected to sex. It was about the things that didn't happen, and that couldn't be expressed.

But back to the NSPCC. What can I say. I'd get fired if I pleasured myself and uploaded a film of it on the internet. That's what this boils down to. Sure, maybe James is a lovely person but what he did was selfish and inappropriate.

I knew somebody once who lived in a shared house with others and always talked about masturbating, his genitals, sex. This was someone who masturbated frequently and openly, in a way that ensured that others would walk in on him occasionally. This person also had mental health issues and a tough life, we all found it gross and icky but we didn't confront him. I didn't understand it at the time but it was sexual harassment.

Cwenthryth · 15/06/2019 11:38

It’s becoming very clear that the problem here is not so much James Makings and his behaviour, more the culture supervising and managing him - tweets mentioned that the CEO was ‘supporting him’ - the system is ultimately at fault here, but that should not excuse individuals from their own professional responsibilities.

I can see parallels with the Challenor/Green Party situation.

hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 11:49

Has anyone else noticed a common theme of how all this often comes back to the art world?

My back ground is in art. Definitely a few phds to be done there...

Allow me to help in this respect

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Muehl

A veritable warren of rabbit holes leads from this, some of them deeply horrifying

Theatre / performing arts is also a rich source of nodes and networks, especially method acting and puppetry

hoodathunkit · 15/06/2019 11:51

I think that's partly because of the assumption that everyone has a right to sex and should be having sex, when a significant amount of art and literature is about thwarted passion, unfulfilled longing and so on. Sex has become very un-erotic, IMO. Why was Fleabag such a success, even though there was no nudity? Because it was about that tension and the emotions connected to sex. It was about the things that didn't happen, and that couldn't be expressed.

No time to reply to this now but wanted to highlight for later discussion as this is an important and fruitful issue to think about :)

hedders · 15/06/2019 12:01

thank you, hooda, will check in later.

Outofinspiration · 15/06/2019 12:22

I have had another look at Twitter today - the number of people defending James Makings in various ways, so many of them men....

I believe the say is: I just can't even.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2019 12:29

see definition of 'Non-contact child sexual abuse'
Dr Em:
twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1139836678850220033

Very important article:

'Charities & Institutional Climates Conducive to Child Sexual Abuse.'

Jun 14
(extract
"I am very worried that the NSPCC and the Girl Guides are creating institutions and climates which are conducive to child sexual abuse. Those who wish to access victims will exploit situations and put themselves in positions where they are surrounded by children. It is why paedophiles entered the Catholic Church, sports coaching, gymnastics coaching, children’s hospitals and homes. One is not going to get much access to children while working on an oil rig. I’m going to repeat this until I’m blue in the face: predators will gravitate to where they have access to children, and in particular vulnerable children. They will move themselves into positions which not only provide access but also the nice guy, pillar of the community cover. They have a long game plan, they will infiltrate and work up institutions, they will silence and bully whistle-blowers out while making themselves unquestionable. You think they will not? Larry Nassar studied and worked for years to become the coach of the USA gymnastics team to fulfil his urges.

‏ I would theorise that one of the reasons paedophiles have prospered at charities is the change in remuneration and subsequently sex balance and culture. As the charities have professionalised and begun awarding eye-watering salaries at the top, women have been forced down the rung and a bullying culture has entered. The report in June 2019, In Plain Sight, published by ACEVO and the Centre for Mental Health, assessed the alleged bullying culture across the charitable sector. It found that 80% of those employed by charities claimed to have witnessed bullying in the workplace.[1] This is, I believe, linked to the prospering of sexual abuse as it allows whistleblowers to be bullied either into silence or out of organisations. For example, in the wake of the sexual abuse of vulnerable women and children by Oxfam staff, an independent report found that Oxfam had a “toxic work environment” marked by ‘racism, sexism and bullying’.[2] British MPs declared regarding Oxfam and Hati that ‘The aid sector is guilty of “complacency verging on complicity” over an “endemic” sex abuse scandal’ and Stephen Twigg, chairman of the international development committee, said charities were “more concerned to protect their own reputation”.[3] This is not limited to Oxfam. At the UNHCR, it took Caroline Hunt-Matthes 15 years to get justice for her contract with the UNHCR being terminated after she raised concerns in 2003 over the way investigations of suspected sexual assault and rape cases were handled" (continues)
medium.com/@doctorEm/charities-institutional-climates-conducive-to-child-sexual-abuse-d0180c24526e

Do follow Dr Em on Medium & Twitter if you are concerned about systemic Safeguarding failures.
She provides incredbly well researched & evidence-based analysis.

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SunsetBeetch · 15/06/2019 12:45

Yes AncientLights and others. He posted that after the first rime he got caught.

SunsetBeetch · 15/06/2019 13:52

Sally Hines chimes in.

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