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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/06/2019 18:10

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/lgbtq-rights-danger-pride-fight-back-homophobic-attacks

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VickyEadie · 13/06/2019 22:08

As others have said - man tries to tell women how to do feminism and what they should think, accept and put up with.

Fuck off, matey.

tobeforgotten · 13/06/2019 22:26

I want to be like JHB

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2019 22:40

I want to be like JHB

She wouldn't be my first choice roll model (to pit it mildly!). I find some of what she says utterly awful. But I also think she does make good points which cut through the crap regularly, even if I don't agree with her opinion on the subject.

She's not formulaic to the point of paradody. And she wins on integrity too. Certainly compared to 'the boy wonder'.

teawamutu · 14/06/2019 09:10

The bit that struck me most from that vid was how much it clearly cost him to STFU and let JHB speak. He tried to be all gracious and 'go ahead' but just sat stewing until he had a pretext to storm off.

How is he a national commentator btw? What has he achieved apart from whining online and claiming working class credentials to write books based on his whining online? Was there once a decent intellectual basis to his output?

JessicaWakefieldSV · 14/06/2019 09:12

Was there once a decent intellectual basis to his output?

That’s my question, how on earth did he get a platform in the first place? He really just comes across as an entitled whinging man baby.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2019 09:33

He has a point about the demonisation of 'chavs' and the middle class attitude of looking down people's noses, which helped to enable austerity and a culture where we judge the deserving and undeserving poor. He understands the corruption and bastardisation of language better than most cos he wrote a book about the point.

However after that he ran out of ideas and I'd argue has gone directly against that principle in many respects, because supporting Labour without question was more important. He's since made a living out of his understanding of propaganda and communication in more than one way

He clearly demonstrates he knows how language matters and how it can be used in a way which is harmful against groups which are marginalised. So he actively uses it when it suits his own personal political aims.

This I have a BIG issue with. He either has an enormous lack of integrity and lack of self awareness or he is acting in a way which is rather more sinister. Which is why I like to refer to him as Mr 1984, because thats his twitter handle and I refuse to beleive that is a choice without thought because I like to make the connect to the concept of totalitarian IngSoc which Jones is quite blantantly peddling in real life.

I dislike anyone who actively pushes euphemist phrases in a political context, regardless of their political persuasion as its against the interest of the public at large as its a tactic to hide the truth and material reality behind whilst things can be done against the population without proper accountability and transparency. Its fundamentally anti-democratic and authoritarian.

I see EXACTLY what Jones is.

He said it was not ok to have endless OUTRAGE pushed to demonise yet its his MO.

He is worse than stupid. Stupid suggests a naive innocent and not knowing any better.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 14/06/2019 09:47

BDSM is not a harmless lifestyle choice. It's a sexual fetish. Why are they trying to normalise it?

That is the whole agenda - to normalise any and all male sexual behaviours.

EggWrap · 14/06/2019 10:42

What is so worrying, is watching the pure hate and rage, barely controlled by LOJ when he was given a tiny taste of his own medicine.

It's gone beyond LOJ thinking about what's actually right or wrong in this situation, it's now purely about control. This was a tiny little man, being filmed, surrounded by other men; what if he was alone with the woman who dared to talk in her own words!?

It's frightening.

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