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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Owen Jones sounds off about ‘self described’ feminists

133 replies

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/06/2019 18:10

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/lgbtq-rights-danger-pride-fight-back-homophobic-attacks

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 19:02

How the fuck does that moron get away with this?

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

HE GETS AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE HIS JOB IS TO GENERATE CLICKS.

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 19:06

Very much 'what he does in his spare time is his own business.' 'If it's between consenting adults etc'.

I agree, so long as such behaviour is enacted in private and not in the public realm.

Children and women do not need to be exposed to such male sexual behaviours against their consent.

From what I have seen from pictures of Pride Parades they seem to have become more about public paraphilic behaviour parades.

#BoycottPride

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 19:07

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK

DuMondeB · 12/06/2019 19:07

Hey Guardian! How about employing Amy Dyess (or any capable young lesbian writer, really) to write an opinion piece, rather than letting Owen Jones talk over women, yet again?

mobile.twitter.com/AmyDyess/status/1138507631113322496

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 12/06/2019 19:11

I didn't click the link

the less guardian I have in my life the better

rockingchaircandle · 12/06/2019 19:14

Doesn't he refer to 'self described liberals' not feminists?

What's the problem with the fetish guy?

Popchyk · 12/06/2019 19:15

You imagine him sitting there thinking, shall I put in Auschwitz or Treblinka?

Heck, I'll put them both in as usual, then chuck in a few references to Other Bad Stuff Worldwide in a feeble attempt to mitigate the anti-semistism.

And then I'll whine about Munroe Bergdorf's own actions resulting in MB being canned. Cos that's totally comparable to the holocaust.

Notice that he's going for "higher than usual instances of suicidal thoughts" with respect to people who identify as transgender. Presumably The Guardian is not allowing him to use the false statistics now.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 19:15

Both rockingchair

nonsenceagain · 12/06/2019 19:15

cis-gender is a new one on me. Seriously, what does that mean?

JoyceJeffries · 12/06/2019 19:16

He’s a prick

SomeDyke · 12/06/2019 19:19

He’s a prick
You know what, as a lesbian (old-style), I'm not a fan of the penis, but it does a disservice to a useful sexual and excretory organ by calling LOJ a prick..........

MrsBertBibby · 12/06/2019 19:20

Cis-gender? It's shorthand for saying any woman who calls herself one accepts the sex stereotypes assigned to women by men.

And that any women who don't aren't really women at all.

AlwaysComingHome · 12/06/2019 19:20

Wanker.

Sometimes one word is all you need.

MyAuntyBadger · 12/06/2019 19:24

He's just an angry arsehole. He must have been very indulged as a child. (I didn't click the link, I can imagine his column because he's so utterly predictable).

dreichuplands · 12/06/2019 19:27

No one who works for the NSPCC should be putting up photographs of themselves in sexualised poses on social media. It is against the guidelines of the organisation they work for, this will have nothing to do with this bloke being gay. Straight men and women would also end up in a world of trouble with the organisation if they did this.
If you want to work for an organisation that specialises in giving professional advice, support and training around protecting young people from harm, including sexual harm you need to ensure that your behaviour is professional while in the public sphere.
Pictures of you trussed up like a Christmas turkey on social media are not professional. It is nothing to do with sexual orientation.

WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 12/06/2019 19:28

He is a jumped up little prat . Can't stand him .

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 12/06/2019 19:29

i didn't click the link

Neither did i

(Because I forgot that there was one)

FloralBunting · 12/06/2019 19:30

Let's be clear - the reason the NSPCC employee's fetishes are an issue are because he linked to them himself from his work profile. We wouldn't care or have a clue about what he likes to term his family of perverts unless he had told us himself.

The NSPCC employee who hired Monroe Bergdorf linked his sexual fetish to his work all by himself. If you don't want people to ask awkward questions about your personal excitement about rubber and naked pictures in public, don't put a link to them on your LinkedIn page!!!

GraceMarks · 12/06/2019 19:30

I just watched the clip of him and JHB and... I don't understand what his problem was? Why does he have to refer to gay men as "LGBT" people every single time? If they're gay men I assume they're not L(!) at the very least. He reminds me of a toddler who cries because he doesn't have the vocabulary to get his point across, and gets so frustrated that all he can do is start kicking things.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 19:31

Heck, I'll put them both in as usual, then chuck in a few references to Other Bad Stuff Worldwide in a feeble attempt to mitigate the anti-semistism

Popchyk, I bet you could write a coherent Mr 1984 article from chopping up a lot of lines from all the articles he's written and rearranging them at random.

You know a bit like Owen Jones Writing By Numbers.

You need OUTRAGE. The more the better.
You need A VICTIM. The more oppressed and male the better.
You need OFFENSIVE references. Holocaust is a fab source. You can't go wrong there. It also hits the right Labour Look for the moment.
You need CLASS. You need to demostrate that you are totes working class and in no way have privilege. Cos Owen wrote a book on this once too.
You need BASTARDISATION OF MEANING. Cos otherwise you aren't pushing boundaries with your writing.
You need RELEVANCE and a good BANDWAGON. You have to prove your latest woke creditials. Corbyn is crap, great get on that bandwagon. Oh shit Corbyn is awesome, jump on that one. Oh shit, he's old hat, quick must take a leap to find the next bandwagon.
You need THE FEELZ. And you definitely need to abandon any thinking, reason or critical analysis. Facts? Gah, those horrid things are for spit journalists.
You need the HISTORY. This is about staking your claim for progressiveness and the roots of the validity of your current popularist bullshit. It doesn't matter if its really history. You just have to say it is and bluff your way through if anyone asks any difficult questions about your knowledge. You have to be on the right side of it you see. Muchly important. Bigly.

Bonus points go for mentioning how gay he is, and how he speaks personally for all gay people, especially the lesbian ones.

The more you sound like a ranting left wing Trumpian numpty the better. Thats all the rage these days.

LangCleg · 12/06/2019 19:31

I didn't click the link

Me either!

Owen: either DFOD or FOTTFSOF. Don't care which.

FloralBunting · 12/06/2019 19:37

I didn't need to click the link. Once you've read one OJ piece of dribbling sanctimony, it really is paint by numbers as others have said.

I'm glad someone took a hit and was able to notice the counterpoint of 'cis-gender lesbians' and 'gay men'. I do enjoy it when the cult language is really clearly used to let women know how far down the pile they are.

Outanabout · 12/06/2019 19:37

Wow, he's like a child in that Sky clip 😳 Because they didn't let him run the conversation he sulked the whole way through, looking away to make sure everyone knew he was upset 😄 why does be get so much attention? He seems to have only two settings, smug or sulking.

leckford · 12/06/2019 19:40

He is a nasty disillusional individual - he is a Corbyn supporter - say no more

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 19:45

I like Owen Jones on TV. He can't hit block to hide his smugness or to avoid looking like he's sulking like a five year old. And he usually gets his arse handed to him pretty well.

Thats why he likes twitter. He can hide in his echo chamber of fanboys counting his morally bankrupt pennies whilst he pretends to be a journalist and only gets upset when those journalistic grown ups tell him to belt up.

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