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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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HandsOffMyRights · 06/06/2019 08:25

Words fail me today

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/06/2019 20:02

And the BBC license fee is how much again?

Datun · 11/06/2019 20:02

Anyone, absolutely anyone who watches that Julia long/Monro Bergdorf video, will be left with zero doubt as to how unsuitable Bergdorf is as a children's advocate.

Yet again, I fail to understand the logic behind this.

A knee-jerk reaction that MB has presumably precipitated, is going to bite them, relentlessly and forever.

Bergdorf's behaviour is indefensible.

If it isn't, let's fucking have it.

RoyalCorgi · 11/06/2019 20:04

Jesus wept. Co-written by LOJ, of course.

I reckon he's been stung by accusations that he's not a proper journalist, so he asked Mum to let him have a go at writing a news story.

Shame he's so crap at it.

ZebrasAreBras · 11/06/2019 20:07

What's remarkable about that video above (apart from Julia Long's bravery) is that she (Julia) is berated because "this is supposed to be a safe space for people."

But you can't allow "safe spaces" for adults to ride roughshod over children's safety. Questions should be asked. Bergdorf says "We should be encouraging children to be themselves and do whatever they want to do" - said no decent parent ever.

What if "whatever they want to do" is drinking alcohol, going clubbing with adults, having sex...? We are supposed to, as a society, keep children safe.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 20:11

Dazed article which prompted Dr Long's Safeguarding question:

'The world’s most glamorous 11-year-old and his doting mother talk to Munroe about dealing with hate and celebrating love'

15February 2019

Text by Munroe Bergdorf
(extract)
"At a time when trans rights are more under threat than ever, the spring 2019 issue of Dazed takes a stand for the global creativity of the LGBTQIA+ communities and infinite forms of identity. This article is a digital companion to the issue. You can pre-order a copy of our latest issue here, and see the whole Infinite Identities campaign here.

Desmond is Amazing is a game changer, a force of nature and, I would argue, the future. Unapologetically himself, ten-year-old Desmond’s success as a drag star serves as a reminder that kids are never too young to be who they want to be, and it’s never too early for us to listen to them. But this success has not come without its hurdles – namely in the form of closed-minded internet trolls and misleading clickbait headlines" (continues)

www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/43329/1/munroe-bergdorf-desmond-is-amazing-drag-kid-interview

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/06/2019 20:19

kids are never too young to be who they want to be, and it’s never too early for us to listen to them

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 20:20

FFS !

MB, OJ et al are doing the plunging here.

Not good.

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 11/06/2019 20:20

To pick out just one of the problems in this clusterfuck of mess: NO Juno Dawson, the NSPCC and Childline should bloody well not be All About Transwomen. They should be all about CHILDREN. The clue is, after all, in the names.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 20:27

previous thread when Munroe Bergdorf directed and starred in Channel 4's 'What MAkes A Woman?'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3225221-what-makes-a-woman-documentary-by-munroe-bergdorf

& article 'How Women Are Getting Feminism Wrong'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180386-Munroe-Bergdorf-for-Grazia-Women-Are-Getting-Feminism-Wrong

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 20:32

Women's March London 2019 when Munroe Bergdorf was hailed as one of 'incredible' speakers & leaders (with Dawn Butler MP & shadow Women's & Equalities Minister)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3483242-Womens-March-London-says-trans-voices-should-be-elevated-over-womens-voices

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/06/2019 20:35

Why is the BBC presenting adults raising legitimate questions about an adult's history as 'transphobia? Let's try this with some other adults:

Boris Johnson - "I want all children to contact me directly online...."
Eamonn Holmes - "Children, message me privately..."
Jeremy Corbyn "Children, here's my private email address."
Robert Peston..." Children can contact me..
Insert name of any celebrity / politician and see how this looks...

None of the above would do this. Nobody in public life would - and if they did, well, imagine the shit storm.
But for some reason we are expected to allow a certain group to repeatedly breach all the conventions that adults put in place to keep children safe and we're transphobic for mentioning it. And even NSPCC staff are so down that rabbit hole that they can't see it.

JackyHolyoake · 11/06/2019 20:37

I looked up James Makings and discovered someone with this same name is President of Rubbermen of London.

Linked In: uk.linkedin.com/in/jamakings

Datun · 11/06/2019 20:39

Owen Jones is like a secret weapon. The more he highlights the issue, (the one he imagines), the more the actual issue gets sunlight.

Outofinspiration · 11/06/2019 21:01

I don't understand this? If someone is LGBTQ then does all safeguarding and common sense just fly out the window?

MUNROE BERGDORF ENCOURAGED KIDS TO PRIVATELY MESSAGE THEM!

Owen Jones should hang his head in fucking shame. Honestly, I can't even.

Datun · 11/06/2019 21:04

MUNROE BERGDORF ENCOURAGED KIDS TO PRIVATELY MESSAGE THEM!

And saw nothing wrong with a 10-year-old twerking in an adult only club whilst money was thrown at them on stage

FloralBunting · 11/06/2019 21:08

MUNROE BERGDORF ENCOURAGED KIDS TO PRIVATELY MESSAGE THEM!

And saw nothing wrong with a 10-year-old twerking in an adult only club whilst money was thrown at them on stage

And, in that crappy Guardian article about the sombre atmosphere at the NSPCC because Bergdorf was dropped, Bergdorf is quoted on both those topics still not seeing anything wrong with either scenario.

Completely qualified to work with a child protection org, my pert fucking arse.

Avrosia · 11/06/2019 21:09

MUNROE BERGDORF ALSO CLAIMED A TITLE FROM THE NSPCC WHEN ENCOURAGING KIDS TO SEND MESSAGES WHEN THE CHARITY HAD MADE NO ANNOUNCEMENT WHATSOEVER

Outofinspiration · 11/06/2019 21:11

I feel like these statements need to go on a billboard or something! It's the only way that people are going to open their eyes and see it!

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 21:15

JackyHolyoake

IF (& only if) that's the NSPCC Celebrity & Talent officer who networked to 'land' Munroe Bergdorf for Childline & NSPCC then I would draw your attention to his interview at 14:50 describing accessing 'extreme fetish' online sites aged 15.

DuMondeB · 11/06/2019 21:17

I looked up James Makings and discovered someone with this same name is President of Rubbermen of London

From around 8 minutes in he starts talking about how his sexual interest in rubber began at the age of 9-10, inspired by the wetsuits belonging to adult male friends of his parents.

He says he looked it up online and it was a ‘slippery slope’.

MockerstheFeManist · 11/06/2019 21:23

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, varios BBC shows today have been all over the Oxfam report, with numerous guests agreeing that it's the tip of the iceberg.

Perhaps they could give that some thought at NSPCC Towers.

SunsetBeetch · 11/06/2019 21:33

Omfg!!!!!

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 21:41

BBC shows today have been all over the Oxfam report, with numerous guests agreeing that it's the tip of the iceberg.

Perhaps they could give that some thought at NSPCC Towers.

(extract)

"In a foreword to the report, Baroness Stowell, Chair of the Charity Commission, says no charity is more important that the mission it pursues or the people it serves:
No charity is so large, nor is its mission so important that it can afford to put its own reputation ahead of the dignity and wellbeing of those it exists to protect. But the implications of this inquiry are not confined to the failings of a single, big charity, because no charity is too small to bear its own share of responsibility for upholding the wider good name of charity.

Ultimately being a charity is more than just about what you do, it is also about the way in which you do it. The Charity Commission is determined to reassure the public that it understands this fundamental point and will work with the sector it regulates to demonstrate that fact in the months and years ahead."

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-reports-on-inquiry-into-oxfam-gb-no-charity-is-more-important-than-the-people-it-serves-or-the-mission-it-pursues

The people that the NSPCC & Childline serve are children & young people.

Not adult celebrity males
Not the trans lobby
Not men's sexual rights lobby

"What we stand for
The NSPCC stands up for children, demanding that laws change and action is taken to better protect them.

NSPCC stands for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
It means that each of us has a responsibility to keep childhood free from abuse, and we must do everything possible to protect children and prevent it from happening."

Outofinspiration · 11/06/2019 21:46

Yes that's so true actually. The NSPCC does not exist to validate the likes of Munroe Bergdorf.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 11/06/2019 21:46

Bergdorf fought back, pointing out that she had “never shot porn in my life”...

Another one for the annals of carefully worded statements, alongside:
"I have no current convictions"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Etc