Boundaries and Allies

[DancingRaven]

I came across a post on Twitter which included what appears as a screenshot from a WhatsApp conversation with a gender critical ally. The image is attached for reference.

It is so disappointing to see this, are women's boundaries just amusing to everyone? How can we work together when our sex based rights are just 'politics'?

Yes Katniss it's terrible to have lost Dr Em. Her research on the insidious nature of paedophilia has been invaluable. These people have tried for decades to have their interests accepted by the mainstream. Now a quick glimpse on any social media will show just how emboldened they've become in recent years. Scary times ahead I fear.

molesmokes has made an excellent comment regarding Jenn Smith. Jenn won't be everyone's cup of tea, does tend to veer a bit to the conspiratal in some videos, then again I love a bloody good conspiracy theory, and Jenn does speak quite honestly of his (Jenn has expressed preferred pronouns as he/him Mumsnet) journey (my word I'm making Jenn sound like a reality TV contestant).
What Jenn does to earn my respect is that he is actively speaking out against SOGI123 which is to my understanding Canada's version of No Outsiders in UK (Safe Schools here down under). Not an easy thing to do in Canada. It's nice to see someone putting children first instead of their own needs.

Yes Dana, I like Jenn, I get the impression they are fighting for others. They put our other 'allies' to shame and make it stark that people like Debbie are only fighting for themselves. Is it any wonder that someone so narcissistic as to think they can alter reality with their words only cares about themselves?
No to Self I'd, unless it is me because I'm special. No to compelled speech, unless it is me because I'm special. No to no one being unquestionable, unless it is me because of my feelings.

The 'I'm busy/tired' or let's talk privately that Debbie always does when Debbie cant or wont answer a question is getting on my nerves.

I'm angry with the some trans women are women stuff. No.if we let one male in we have to let them all.

It seems that thanks to some women pandering we are losing a lot of great female, feminist voices. It's the academics who have developed their feminism over years and that's why they wont just be nice: Dr Em, Dr Long, Professor Shelia Jeffreys. How long until they come for Dr Jones?

Who else has been pushed out?

What a load of stinking patronising hypocrisy.

'I've lived alongside them' like we aren't fully human.

Debbie doesn't empathise, look at this whole thread. Doesn't give a flying about women's concerns unless Debbie can use them to amplify their own voice.

………....yet Debbie has repeatedly heard women's concerns and feelings here, and is still clear that they intend to use women's spaces and facilities anyway. Their main interest is in preventing other males from doing so.

When I realised this, I finally took the step from 'people who have medically transitioned, yes ok in women's spaces' to - 'no males in women's single sex spaces. At all. Ever.' Because this always, always, always boils down to males seeing themselves and their interests as superior to women and about forcing women to prioritise them. Which is all about oppressing and subordinating women. It's the 21st century, men can fuck off with that.

Been out all day, missed everything but am catching up now.

Debbie can fuck the fuck off to fuckidyfucktown and fucking stay there making its population a grand total of 2.

Debbie and glinner.... Sitting in a tree..... K I s s i n g..........

I've missed something What has DH got to do with losing Dr Em?

Janie143
current threads about Debbie Hayton & Kinesis' involvement with DrEm's decision to shut down her twitter account:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3624063-Is-twitter-having-a-purge-today

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3624694-Has-DrEM-been-banned-from-twitter

Thanks R0wantrees Read those threads. So disappointing. I was shocked to see Fionne joing in as well

Janie Some people are being manipulated see 'flying monkeys' article:

medium.com/@OwnYourReality/flying-monkeys-the-narcissists-tool-for-the-smear-campaign-798daf7a59c0

We are all susceptable to unwittingly becoming 'flying monkeys', those who are manipulating will very likely remain hidden.

Its a common pattern of abuse.

Sooner or later they prove what we've been saying all along. Anyone who can still support dh needs to give themselves a wobble

nasuwtinternational.wordpress.com/2019/07/23/the-nasuwt-proposes-resolution-on-lgbti-rights/

Debbie even tries to argue that trans students are trying to commit suicide at a greater rate, the most oppressed and at risk. What is the difference between Debbie and Mermaids, is Debbie now a spokesperson for Mermaids?

I'm no fan of many of the arguments on these forums but Debbie H is a hypocrite who deserves nothing but contempt across the divide. They have argued against many of the things that transgender people have been calling for while enjoying them themselves. How can you possibly argue against GRA changes while having no GRC yourself and behaving like the perfect example of self-ID?

This was the message

Oops sorry, wrong shot

Ffs

makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/a-plea-for-help-for-feminists-from-a-trans-widow

The fact is that Spinster was never intended to be and is not a women-only social media space. It was always intended as a mixed-sex space. Central to this intent is to provide women with a social media space that will not censor them in the way that other social media spaces do.

Spinster is a woman-centric space.

Anyone who becomes abusive toward any woman in that space will be excluded via the reporting and banning mechanism. Users are given no second chance. They get one warning. After that, if they ignore that warning they are gone.

Spinster is an alternative social media space that is respectful toward women.

Any potential users who are unable to comply with the current stated rules for maintaining that respect need to stay away.

I wonder which one glinner used as an excuse to block. Dr em.....

I just saw this on Twitter. This is your ally ladies. Read and weep

Glinner has blocked dr em after he said she oppresses him and her disability stresses him out.

Yes. HER disability stresses HIM out.

The popularity has gone to his head....

Amalfimamma

Receipts please.