Can we start an anti "nail" campaign?

[2rebecca]

As a GP who frequently washes her hands, allotment owner and instrument player I really hate the trend for women to have immaculate nails that cost a fortune, scratch people and mean women can't do anything useful. Where t f did this horrible trend come from and how do we give women back the use of their wonderful hands?

I don't care what other women look like. I don't think about it. Well I did once see a woman who had had an awful lot of plastic surgery on her face and it looked very odd, and I felt a little worried for her (not sure if that was the exact emotion). I did feel uncomfortable.

I don't care what other women look like. I don't think about it

You're doing the same though as the patriarchy you claim are bad for expecting women to look a certain way - you wanting women to wear (or not wear) certain things or look a certain way by imposing YOUR standards on them.
It's the same behaviour, and it's crap whether it's coming from a male or a female.

Bollocks. I've been making arguments against patriarchal beauty standards and the beauty industry. What women do with that is up to them.

You show me one post, apart from the one where I mentioned the woman who'd had damaging consmetic surgery where I've said women have to look a certain way. The fucking beauty industry tells women we have to look a certain way, they spend literally millions of pounds doing it and you have zero to say about that.

Go and argue with all this crap if you're so upset about women being told what to do and stop misrepresenting my arguments:

www.google.com/search?q=beauty+adverts&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXmrXQsM7iAhVhVRUIHRj8AxoQ_AUIECgB&biw=1620&bih=771

stop misrepresenting my arguments

Pot. Kettle. Black

While we're here though....

"You're doing the same though as the patriarchy"

I wouldn't normally go there, but as you've already gone, it's who who is doing the work of the patriarchy on here, denying its effects, denying its oppression of women, denying the results of it. Don't try to project what you're doing on to me, it's transparent.

Got anything to say about those brave Korean women yet minou?

Bollocks. I've been making arguments against patriarchal beauty standards and the beauty industry. What women do with that is up to them

You said though that you want to get rid of nails and take women back to a time with no plastic.
How is that any better what you're doing?

You know what, I’ve been in much more interesting discussions about this kind of stuff on Style and Beauty. Yes we’re invested and we know it but there are still regular threads about going grey without dyeing and the pressures on women to look younger. People have very different views and sometimes things get heated but, for the most part, we manage to discuss it without the condescension and sneering and general bellendery that I’ve seen from some quarters on this thread.

Here's more people telling women how they should look:

www.google.com/search?q=cosmetic+surgery+women&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0hufjss7iAhWwUxUIHRfoCYkQ_AUIECgB&biw=1620&bih=771

www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1620&bih=771&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=IqT1XNecMJC9ULfIodAK&q=breast+enlargment+adverts&oq=breast+enlargment+adverts&gs_l=img.3...10544.11988..12506...0.0..0.371.1036.6j2j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i10i24.hS8Jn7eglbE

Don't try to project what you're doing on to me, it's transparent

I'm not
I'm just saying that women telling other women what to do isn't any better.
Patriarchy starting to seem like a great big get out clause to turn everything round and away from women to me.
Nothing's ever a woman's fault, because, patriarchy.

Actually what I said was I want to live in a world without patriarchal beauty standards. If they didn't exist, there wouldn't be acrylic nails. Without all that damaging nonsense I've just linked to.

Link one post of mine where I've told women what to do. The only "telling" I've done is that I've said that on a Feminist board I'd expect women to take part in feminist analysis. That's not unreasonable.

If they didn't exist, there wouldn't be acrylic nails. Without all that damaging nonsense I've just linked to.

By doing that though, you're taking away CHOICE from other women.

LOL, no I'm not. I'll just repeat myself. Women will decide for ourselves. It's just useful to have feminist analysis of patriarchal beauty standards, a viewpoint that is heard very rarely, compared to the barrage of propaganda the beauty industry puts out that I've linked to up there. It's called making an informed choice.

Anything to say about the beauty industry telling women what to do, or the cosmetic surgery industry doing the same Lime Kiwi? I've just given you lots of evidence of it.

Informed choice lol

looks at nails

Might be nice to treat myself and get them done.

Has nails done.

It's really not something that requires much information.

I love the look of painted nails but I’m crap at painting them and can’t afford to have them done professionally. Plus I do stuff like gardening and cleaning so varnish chips really quickly and looks awful. Surely only women who don’t need to do chores can maintain immaculate nails?

@RaptorWhiskers I'm about to go and have gel nails. I had them years ago for my wedding and they were amazing!

They survived everything and weren't to expensive.

Who’s running all the nail bars? Are they all woman for woman making the money?
Bet most technicians are on min wage zero hour contracts.

Doesn’t look pretty

Only one person wanted to talk about the Korean women rejecting beauty standards. I think that's a shame.

LOL, no I'm not. I'll just repeat myself. Women will decide for ourselves.
Yes, but what happens if you get your own way and the choice suddenly isn't there any more?
You can't decide to do something for yourself if somethings have been taken away.

I have to be honest I don't care about the Korean women rejecting beauty standards. They do them. Hope their happy. Zero affect on my life or what I enjoy doing.

I'm with the anti-long nail brigade totally - I see long nails and think eeew, how do you get clean? Plus you can't really grip anything terribly well with long nails can you - my cleaner had long nails and kept dropping and breaking stuff

Um it'll probably start up again then won't it.

We're on a feminist board Contraception. Feminists doing feminist things generally get supported. Not on this thread though.

Yet more people telling women what to do and how they should look:

www.google.com/search?q=nail+varnish+adverts&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZxonGt87iAhVVr3EKHQY5DlsQ_AUIECgB&biw=1621&bih=810

Lime Kiwi is going to have a fit.