"Exactly. To a lesser extent. And given lots of men use products aimed at women, cause they are better. The figures are skewed a bit."
By a tiny amount. Men don't use beauty products. They shave and use deodorant and maybe some moisturiser. Maybe aftershave but you don't smell it nearly as often as perfume. That's about it. There are a tiny number of metrosexuals who use more products, but they are just that, a tiny number, even if somebody's grandad did have a manicure once.
"Doesn't it just? And look what we end up with - women with false painted long nails, whilst men escape the requirement to be decorative almost completely.
And that's the worst bit of patriachy being bad for men, because it ends up with some women choosing to do their nails?"
I don't understand the question. You seem to be trying to paraphrase me but I haven't said anything about the "worst bit" of the patriarchy for men. The patriarchy benefits men, it is men. There are plenty of "worst bits" of the patriarchy for women: men raping us, men beating us, men prostituting us, men destroying us in our millions in India and China with abortion and infanticide, men's wars, men's destruction of our environment. It's a long and incredibly ugly list.
""You can admit that men are complying with the patriarchy by not painting their nails, but somehow it's completely verboten to think that women might also be complying with the patriarchy by decorating theirs"
No I said there maybe be plenty of men who would paint their nails but dont because the patriachy gives them a view of what they are allowed to do and not allowed to do. I also said that nails are good example of how things were dictated to women in the past but not now. Because just as many (if not more) women on this very thread are telling you they dont do their nails and their lives arent impacted one bit. So great, women used to feel they had to. But now they can choose to and not feel judged if they dont. But then it turns out, they will be judged if they do, by some women."
Women are still dictated to. There is still advertising, there is still celebrities promoting beauty standards, there are still people judging a woman if her nails aren't up to scratch. Women are also encouraged to do it, with compliments and positive reinforcement if they have their nails done. You yourself admit that patriarchy has a standard for men. Well it has one for women too.
"Nails are one of the few areas that I dont believe women are pressured into doing, not any more."
The massive beauty industry trying to make a quick buck off women's bodies says otherwise. The advertising and marketing industries say otherwise. The existence of the patriarchy which created "masculine" and "feminine", the stereotypes that each sex are supposed to conform to say otherwise. Women in Korea say otherwise, so do many of us here. I've already said that I've faced pressures about my nails. I wasn't imagining it.
"OP wants to campaign against false nails. What's the final endgame there. Less women do it? 10% 5%.
She wants them gone."
Oh dear. So do I. Women before acrylic.