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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

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aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:10

is how India Willoughby describes the people she thinks have influenced the Scout's very sensible decision.
Is it a compulsory feature of womanhood, appropriated or not, to have long hair??! Confused

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realdoctor · 27/05/2019 12:12

I think Willoughby needs to examine Willoughby's own internalised transphobia (per Stonewall this would include hostility to gender non-conforming people such as women with short hair). I can feel a 'mea culpa' moment coming on ...

aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:14

it's utterly bizarre, where's the self awareness?!

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MadamBatty · 27/05/2019 12:15

&’dirty’ I shaved legs?

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 12:16

A link would be helpful

aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:16

I obviously didn't get the memo explaining "how to be a woman"

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GCAcademic · 27/05/2019 12:16

Well, clearly these are not women. How very dare they not perform femininity!

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 12:54

India Willoughby has form for sexist, false accusations and hyperbole:

April 2018 India Willoughby's Opinion piece for Pink News:

'Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'
(extract)
We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.

Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.

The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and – wait for it – Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people." (continues)

I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians.

Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.

It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.” (continues)

Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly. The reality is more like a Nuremberg Rally. It’s very scary.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

Saltovinegar · 27/05/2019 12:56

I can't do links but it's a tweet IW has posted. They are such an idiot.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 12:59

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1132928106967326720

terryleather · 27/05/2019 13:00

Speaking for myself, if you add in saggy-titted harridan I'll take that description..Grin

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/05/2019 13:01

Willoughby thinks that women should be feminine and girly, just like Willoughby.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 13:03

&’dirty’ I shaved legs?

In 2017 on Woman's Hour India Willoughby said that women with hairy legs were 'dirty'
I was a shocked as Jenni Murray to hear this once I had re-listened to check that I wasn't experiencing auditory hallucinations.

Dame Jenni Murray was so insensed she wrote an article. This led to TRAs protest & then public censure by the BBC.
Since then TRAs have no platformed and protested DameJenni Murray.
She noticeably does not do any of the interviews on R4 Womans Hour concerning sex/gender.

May 2017 The article:
Jenni Murray: Be trans, be proud — but don’t call yourself a “real woman”
Can someone who has lived as a man, with all the privilege that entails, really lay claim to womanhood? It takes more than a sex change and make-up
(extract)
"The fury that a male-to-female transsexual could be so ignorant of the politics that have preoccupied women for centuries hit me again last year — 16 years after I had met Carol. This time I was speaking to another trans woman, India Willoughby, who had hit the headlines after appearing on the ITV programme Loose Women.

India held firmly to her belief that she was a “real woman”, ignoring the fact that she had spent all of her life before her transition enjoying the privileged position in our society generally accorded to a man. In a discussion about the Dorchester hotel’s demands that its female staff should always wear make-up, have a manicure and wear stockings over shaved legs, she was perfectly happy to go along with such requirements. There wasn’t a hint of understanding that she was simply playing into the stereotype — a man’s idea of what a woman should be.

She described hairy legs on a woman as “dirty”. But hairy legs are not considered dirty in a man. Did she not know that the question of whether a woman should shave her legs or her armpits had been a topic of debate among women for an awfully long time? And that to describe a woman who chose not to shave as dirty was insulting and again suggested an ignorance of sexual politics?

Unsurprisingly, my polite and informed line of questioning exposed me to a barrage of criticism on social media. I was a Terf and didn’t understand what Simone de Beauvoir, the author of one of the great feminist tracts, The Second Sex, meant when she wrote: “One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.”

As a matter of fact, I have understood perfectly what de Beauvoir meant ever since I read her as a teenage girl. Her subject was that “second sex”. She used the word sex advisedly." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-trans-be-proud-but-dont-call-yourself-a-real-woman-frtld7q5c

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 13:03

'Women with short hair.'

More proof that trans ideology is all about reinforcing gender stereotypes.

Real women might have a penis, but it's how they dress and style their hair that demonstrates their womanliness.

LangCleg · 27/05/2019 13:08

I have:

short hair (on my head)
hair (on my legs)
saggy tits
a tendency to non-compliance
a fucking great big gob

I also have:

XX chromosomes

I have concluded that:

I must be some kind of alien.

(India: DFOD)

JessicaWakefieldSV · 27/05/2019 13:10

Willoughby thinks that women should be feminine and girly, just like Willoughby.

I have no desire to look remotely like Willoughby. I’m not sure I’d use feminine or girly to describe Willoughby though, but I get that is the look they’re aiming for and mistakenly believe all women should conform to.

Willoughby is a misogynistic person who I try very hard to avoid the opinions of.

Grey Rock.

RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:11

I remember reading an article on why (many) men don’t like women with short hair - just trying to find it but can’t track it down.

The gist of it was that women with short hair don’t give a fuck about the male gaze, are not interested in whether or not you approve of their looks or their choices and want to please themselves, and as such, they are dangerous!

Made me want to go back to a pixie cut.

I think some people may feel the need to ‘perform femininity’ more than others and IW is definitely one of those people.

Those of us secure in our femaleness can choose the hairstyle and the opinions that make us happy and everyone else can go fuck themselves. Some people don’t approve of that attitude apparently - not very ladylike is it?!

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 27/05/2019 13:11

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XenoBio · 27/05/2019 13:16

Hang on

If We have short hair and wear comfy shoes (AND I CBA to shave my legs.) Maybe we actually are non binary/ trans. they’ll HAVE to listen to us or it’s literal violence.

RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:16

I would love to see India say that to Linda Bellos.. She tagged Linda Bellos in a later tweet ShockAngry

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:18

Must I hack my flowing locks to post here now then?

youllhavehadyourtea · 27/05/2019 13:19

I have short hair.
I have hairy legs.
I also have hairy oxters.

India would have the vapours.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 13:21

We've seen how India 'let that penetrate' Willoughby treats women in Willoughy's CBB outing. But bullies are often cowards, so would Willoughby take on Bellos in real life?

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/05/2019 13:22

Jessica
If I said what I really wanted to about Willoughby's idea of femininity I would be banned.

littlbrowndog · 27/05/2019 13:23

Yeah Scottish doll

Get that hair chopped off now

Then India will be happy

Who the fuck wants real women with short hair

All real women have the long hair doncha know

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 13:24

India Willoughby's tweet

Times article: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

(extract)
The organisation, which accepts boys and girls of all ages, has also rescinded advice that a child’s gender transition must be treated with “complete confidentiality”, including being kept from parents. The guidance now says such information should be shared with families or the authorities if there are welfare concerns.

The Scouts’ equal opportunities policy has also been revised to include the category of sex, previously omitted in favour of “gender identity”.

Most references to the transgender lobby group Mermaids, which has been accused of promoting misinformation, and which helped produce the old transgender policy, have been removed.

The policies were rewritten after complaints by leaders and members. In letters seen by this newspaper, they said the policy was “inappropriate and dangerous” and that it told leaders to “ignore normal safeguarding”.

Linda Bellos, a feminist who was one of the Scouts’ advisers, said: “They could see they had made a mistake — they had missed out anything to do with women. They seem to have heard the arguments put to them and I’m very pleased.” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scouts-earn-u-turn-badge-after-scrapping-trans-policy-w6rnxbflc?shareToken=dc09effc06301868a86f76ddd096ed39&wgu=270525_54264_15589484996038_e8776e8ee3&wgexpiry=1566724499&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

What's happened is that an organisation responsible for the care of children has correctly re implemented the actual law and Safeguarding frameworks.
Previously they had been misadvised on law & Safeguarding by trans lobby groups & individuals.

A male transperson who has considerable media platform but is unconnected with the Scouts objects to them following the principles of the law, Safeguarding, Child Protection & Duty of Care?

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