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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

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aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:10

is how India Willoughby describes the people she thinks have influenced the Scout's very sensible decision.
Is it a compulsory feature of womanhood, appropriated or not, to have long hair??! Confused

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NottonightJosepheen · 28/05/2019 10:54

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/05/2019 11:06

Hang on a mo. When I was a teenager I had my hair mostly shaved off (as was the fashion) and my dad said it suited me because I had a cute girly face. Was a really doing ‘manface’ 😲. Do forgive me...

RoyalCorgi · 28/05/2019 11:07

There's something particularly hilarious about the choice of the word "penetrates". Poor India's not the sharpest tool in the box, is she?

Also - let it be recorded that that is the first time I have ever felt sorry for Ann Widdecombe.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/05/2019 11:09

Did they say ‘penerate (f’narrrrr f’narrrrrrr)’ or in a Darlek voice?

drspouse · 28/05/2019 11:11

Now I want to watch Good Morning Vietnam Sad

6.25 mins

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 11:15

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Justhadathought · 28/05/2019 11:16

Language does not belong to any one person. Language is a social tool.
Words and meanings have to be negotiated and agreed, not enforced.
People will speak instinctively. If they see and perceive a man they will say he.

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 11:19

Language does not belong to any one person. Language is a social tool.
Words and meanings have to be negotiated and agreed, not enforced.
People will speak instinctively. If they see and perceive a man they will say he.

see recent article on pronouns & the power of language on cognition by Barra Kerr

(extract)
"Incongruent pronouns also make your brain work much harder; not just when you are using them, but when you are receiving them as information. You are working constantly to keep that story straight in your head. Male or female? Which one, again? Concentrate harder. Ignore your instincts, ignore your reaction.

And that’s just you. You’re already aware of all the pertinent information, already alert, you know the score, no flies on you.

And you’re still affected emotionally and instinctively by incongruent pronouns, nouns, and names. Despite your efforts to be immune. You’re not immune to this effect. You can know perfectly the actual sex of a male person, and yet you will still react differently if someone calls them she instead of he.

So what then, is the impact on everyone who isn't even aware yet, hasn't fully comprehended yet what’s going on?" (continues)

medium.com/@barrakerr/pronouns-are-rohypnol-dbcd1cb9c2d9

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3595379-Can-we-stop-being-obedient-soon-or-will-this-coercion-continue-for-evermore

NottonightJosepheen · 28/05/2019 11:23

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Justhadathought · 28/05/2019 11:25

I've long suspected that gay men are particularly prone to narcissism.
Link to a couple of articles about homosexual and Transexual narcissism: www.justinduwe.com/narcissistic-personality-disorder-and-gay-men-a-view-from-a-leading-london-psychologist-for-gay-community/

The second link mentions Ray Blanchard: www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-self-love/homosexual-and-transsexual-narcissists

Justhadathought · 28/05/2019 11:29

see recent article on pronouns & the power of language on cognition by Barra Kerr

Well, yes......enforced speech creates a false reality, and subsequent feelings of dissociation. Scary stuff! But that is where we find ourselves.

Just tried to comment on an article by Peter Tatchell in the Guardian. I tried my utmost to clothe and couch my words in 'acceptable' language. But I suspect that even then it will not be posted. Some things can no longer even be mentioned. Even if true.

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 11:29

It was gaslighting of the women (adult human females) 'locked' in the Big Brother house with a male person.

The responses by some of the women should be considered when confronted by an angry and controlling male.

In UK prisons, vulnerable females are actually locked in with males who have been convicted of often violent crimes. Those women cannot leave. The State / Ministry of Justice similarly gaslights the female prisoners that the males they are locked in with are women.

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 11:31

Just tried to comment on an article by Peter Tatchell in the Guardian. I tried my utmost to clothe and couch my words in 'acceptable' language. But I suspect that even then it will not be posted. Some things can no longer even be mentioned. Even if true.

Its coercive control.
Some media platforms are enabling it.

THe frustrations of women trying to speak out and identify the abuse are predictable responses to control pattern behaviours.

KittensinaBlender · 28/05/2019 11:34

I think some gay men who have deeply entrenched internalized homophobia need to use hyper-femininity to reconcile their same-Sex attraction.

It wouldn’t surprise me if their was a link to

Justhadathought · 28/05/2019 11:36

Thought so...no sign of my post in the Guardian and comments about to close.

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/may/28/fear-lgbt-inclusive-lessons-harks-back-to-80s-peter-tatchell

KittensinaBlender · 28/05/2019 11:37

(Posted too soon) ...Narcissism and homosexuality. I worked in an industry with a higher than average population of gay men and whilst there were some lovely blokes amongst them, the levels of self absorption and selfishness in general, could be breathtaking at times.

RagingWhoreBag · 28/05/2019 11:46

It was gaslighting of the women (adult human females) 'locked' in the Big Brother house with a male person.

The responses by some of the women should be considered when confronted by an angry and controlling male

You could see it on their faces couldn’t you? That look we all get when we’re intimidated by an angry person (usually male) and we freeze, then try to de-escalate the situation by being as unconfrontational as possible. The way they were all subtly looking to each other for reassurance that this was really happening, let’s just let this person run out of steam!

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 11:51

You could see it on their faces couldn’t you? That look we all get when we’re intimidated by an angry person (usually male) and we freeze, then try to de-escalate the situation by being as unconfrontational as possible. The way they were all subtly looking to each other for reassurance that this was really happening, let’s just let this person run out of steam!

YY
Look again and you will see most freeze, see some attempted appeasement & Amanda Barry challenges.

Justhadathought · 28/05/2019 11:52

Venice 1 managed to get in quite a bit about Tatchell's proposals for enforced mixed sex lessons on masturbation etc. People refused to believe until she produced the evidence.

RoyalCorgi · 28/05/2019 12:04

I saw Venice's comments - I thought she did remarkably well to get those through. I put in a comment detailing Tatchell's past support of paedophilia and connection to prominent paedophiles. That didn't get past the moderators. I also put in another one about the recent Transgender Trent investigation into No Outsiders. That didn't get published either.

R0wantrees · 28/05/2019 12:10

I also put in another one about the recent Transgender Trent investigation into No Outsiders. That didn't get published either.

'No Outsiders : Queering the Primary Classroom'

by Shelley Charlesworth, a former BBC News journalist

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

LangCleg · 28/05/2019 12:32

THe frustrations of women trying to speak out and identify the abuse are predictable responses to control pattern behaviours.

Absolutely this. And it makes me realise just how many people are only paying lip service - virtue signalling, if you will - supporting domestic abuse initiatives and policies.

If you can't recognise all the exact same tactics and behaviours in a domestic setting when they happen in an online setting, you're either deliberately blind or you never cared in the first place.

I'm sorry to say: a case in point are some of the more dubious moderating decisions we've seen hereabouts. Sorry, MNHQ, but it's true.

Hellmistress · 28/05/2019 12:44

I have long hair, unshaven legs (until I go on my holiday) and can be very, very nasty indeed when I want to be. India needs to look out!

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