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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

139 replies

aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:10

is how India Willoughby describes the people she thinks have influenced the Scout's very sensible decision.
Is it a compulsory feature of womanhood, appropriated or not, to have long hair??! Confused

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RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:27

If We have short hair and wear comfy shoes (AND I CBA to shave my legs.) Maybe we actually are non binary/ trans. they’ll HAVE to listen to us or it’s literal violence.

Yeah, for some reason they don’t seem to like it when people who had previously considered themselves straight ‘c*s’ women realise that we’ve actually been NB all along and try to get our voices heard under the umbrella.

Apparently it’s seen as a bit disingenuous, despite the fact that we gender critical/non-conforming females with short hair and trousers tick many of the boxes for being trans/NB/queer. Odd huh?!

I told my DD last night that if she’d rather do cricket than rounders to just identify as a boy on PE days and they’d have to let her swap. She has short hair and wears trousers and shirt/tie to school instead of an open neck blouse and skirt. She also bought her shoes from the boys section at Clark’s, so she could well fit the definition and nobody could question it even if she didn’t.

She was tempted by the idea but said that she likes boys not girls so she can’t be trans and I explained that she can be a gay trans boy on PE days if she wants, she doesn’t need to change anything about her appearance, can still have a boyfriend and also get to play cricket. Win win.

She said they’d make her change with the boys but DS said no, she’d get her own changing room, so more privacy than in the boys or girls changing rooms.

Many of her friends have ‘come out’ (at 12 years old FFs) as lesbians or pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils) so I don’t see why she should miss out on doing what she likes just because she doesn’t have a special label.

I say let’s all play the system and see how long it takes for it all to come crumbling down.

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:28

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 27/05/2019 13:29

Girl guides next then eh?

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:31

Raging your dd sounds hilarious.

GG next.

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 13:35

Victoria is not very gracious when thwarted. Professional politicians would move on from this.

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 13:37

I am nasty, but I don't have short hair. I'm not sure where that leaves me?

RoyalCorgi · 27/05/2019 13:46

I'm sure Linda Bellos and her friends are absolutely devastated at being described as "a bunch of nasty women with short hair". Move over, Oscar Wilde!

Hithere12 · 27/05/2019 13:48

With short hair 😂 is that a dog whistle for “butch lesbian” or something?

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 13:51

If I did have short hair I'd consider getting it on a badge or a T-shirt.

XenoBio · 27/05/2019 13:51

Many of her friends have ‘come out’ (at 12 years old FFs) as lesbians or pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils)

I have a transmale colleague who confessed to me very earnestly he was pansexual. And then added that he kept getting thrown out of Lakeland. 🤣

terryleather · 27/05/2019 13:56

And for the umpteenth time.

Rules Of Misogyny #8

Women are whatever men say they are and men are whatever men say they are.

Let that penetrate...

Hithere12 · 27/05/2019 13:57

India blocked me on Twitter ages ago cz I said she behaved like an MRA

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/05/2019 13:59

LOL

Why is the length of the hair even relevant, India? You seem to feel it's a criteria on which they should be dismissed?

Because you're implying that short haired women are what? Lesbians? Not proper women? Ugly? What exact gem of sexism and misogyny did you mean there?

Walk through a supermarket, hon. How many women do you see there with short hair? Not performing femininity, just being a person with XX biology. Chat to a few. Why do they have short hair? Clue: mine's due to being disabled and unable to care for longer hair. Does that make me an ugly failed woman? Do please stand up and explain that on national TV, I'll hold your coat. Smile

AnyFucker · 27/05/2019 14:02

I have medium length hair and am at the regrowth stage of leg adornment. Where the fuck do I fit in.

AnyFucker · 27/05/2019 14:03

If I lose my hair because of chemotherapy, am I not a real woman ?

donquixotedelamancha · 27/05/2019 14:05

With short hair 😂 is that a dog whistle for “butch lesbian” or something?

Yes, I think from her further tweets it's fairly clear it is. To a lesbian who asked that question:

Concentrate on your own section of society and let the kids, families and their own doctors decide what’s best. I’m not sure young lesbian girls should be allowed to go to camp, because they could grow out of it by 18. Not worth the risk.

I don't think IW actually understands what the new policy actually is:

Would they write to mums and dads telling them that a gay or lesbian kid had joined the pack?

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 14:11

I think it would be far better to discuss what Linda Bellos says than mediocre males.

Excellent speeches at the event held in London, Tuesday 22 May 2018 organised by the Lesbian Rights Alliance.

This is all about the law.
Linda Bellos knows a lot about the law.

Transgenderism & Lesbian Erasure: Linda Bellos

JackyHolyoake · 27/05/2019 14:14

pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils)

is that saucepansexual or fryingpansexual ... we need to know! Grin

DuMondeB · 27/05/2019 14:36

‘Women in sensible shoes’ has long been my favourite euphemism for lesbians.
Not in a disparaging way, more in a ‘lesbians who reject the most nonsensical and uncomfortable of gendered accoutrements are an excellent role models for ALL women’ kinda way.

People in non-sensible shoes (who need hairdryers/straighteners/curling tongs to style their long hair) are probably not that likely to be involved in scouting anyway.

Redshoeblueshoe · 27/05/2019 15:17

Saucepansexual Grin I'm determined to get that into a sentence today !

Mumminmum · 27/05/2019 15:18

Thank you @DuMondeB I was starting to get all worried that I fit into India Willoughby's idea of a woman far to well as I have long hair and no hair on neither legs, arms or armpits, but I do wear sensible shoes. Not that I am a lesbian, I just don't want India Willoughby to consider me an ally.

merrymouse · 27/05/2019 15:26

Schrodinger's mumsnetter both has short hair, and evicts women from toilets because they have short hair. She never goes to the loo.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/05/2019 15:27

Tut tut India, stereotypes aren't nice you know.

I was amused to see India has a whole five likes for India's latest attack on women.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/05/2019 15:28

merrymouse Grin

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 27/05/2019 15:37

I have found that men retain more shapely pins as they get older (maybe fewer varicose veins due to absence of pregnancies).

Anyway. Haven’t they had a bit of work done? Is theor hair an extension or weave? Those boobs can’t be real.

Let’s see them after they’ve given birth, have been up all night with a sick baby and toddler, are too skint to have hair and nails done, have been working and doing the school run (and up all night making a costume for a school play), when they have not had any cosmetic surgery done - and not had glamour photos carefully shot with a tonne of Vaseline over the lens.

Let’s see all that then - then they may attempt crow all they like.