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Dr Mike Webberley suspended

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Brighterf · 18/05/2019 07:06

Seems like Dr Mike Webberley has now also been suspended and he and his wife now plan to take their services overseas. Can't see this reported elsewhere yet though.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/mike-webberley-suspended-trans-kids/

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R0wantrees · 18/05/2019 22:54

So it’s my post that gets deleted not the one calling me a dodgy parent and mentioning paedos and drug dealers.

There are pinned guidelines to FWR which are intended to enable civilised discussion.
False generalised accusations/smears are not allowed.

FloralBunting · 18/05/2019 22:56

I love that the assumption is that none of us have experience of any of this. So wide of the mark it's laughable.

Not that you'd need any experience at all to know that unregulated clinics dispensing medication for cash to minors on demand and against cautious medical advice is profoundly unethical and should result in severe penalties for the quacks involved.

WhyNotMe40 · 19/05/2019 07:41

I have direct experience of this going wrong with an adult sibling. It horrifies me that people will give cross sex hormone to children. Teenagers are so adamant they no everything even as we all know they don't.
I have not seen anyone call you a paedo? Where was that?

WhyNotMe40 · 19/05/2019 07:43

Know

Needmoresleep · 19/05/2019 07:58

Genderfreelass:

“David Davies a conservative MP was the only MP to attend Lord Moonie's meeting along with Tanni GT from house of Lords. Pretty sorry state of affairs but respect to these 2 for attending.”

Worth noting that Davis Davies is MP for Monmouth, Drs Webberley’s constituency.

David Davies MP has been a consistent, sensible, but lone voice on this for a good while. There is perhaps scope to speculate why he alone, amongst his GC colleagues, decided to raise his head above the parapet. He has not had an easy ride: complaints etc.

ImGenderfree · 19/05/2019 08:26

The Sunday Times have an article on it by Andrew Gilligan bit by bit. Also a fantastic article on Megan Murphy coming to Holyrood that just happens to mention why she is banned by twitter.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suspended-gps-helen-and-mike-webberley-move-sex-change-clinic-to-spain-55ldpc57g?shareToken=268931df64e3cb6729d409e82b072147

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/05/2019 08:29

What is to stop them dispensing drugs from Spain (when I believe they have scurried off to?).

ChattyLion · 19/05/2019 08:39

Thank you for the share token.

I am so pleased to see this:

The Webberleys’ MP, David Davies, said: “Sex-change hormones have permanent consequences and handing them out to children is wrong. The government should investigate how to stop what amounts to an abuse of children.”

Yes the government absolutely should and ASAP. Thank you David TC Davies MP.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 19/05/2019 08:47

What is to stop them dispensing drugs from Spain (when I believe they have scurried off to?).

Nothing. That is there intention.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 19/05/2019 08:47

their

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/05/2019 08:50

Then the law is an ass. What is to now stop parents getting plastic surgery for toddlers? Breast enlargements for 14 year olds? Maybe give the kids a tail or unicorn horn?

Because y’know these would make the children so happy, and if you are willing to pay and someone is rotten enough to do this, why not?

I remember reading an article about people who wanted healthy limbs amputated for nom medical reasons.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2019 08:51

It will certainly help to support the claimants' cases.

It's more difficult to persue a civil claim against someone living in a different country...

LangCleg · 19/05/2019 08:53

From the Times:

Another was a young patient in severe mental distress to whom he gave sex-change hormones. The drugs were confiscated by the patient’s psychiatric nurse, who reported Webberley to the GMC.

Bloody hell. I didn't know that bit.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2019 08:53

Unless there are CRIMINAL convictions - not just a slap of the wrist that doesn't touch that they are earning, this won't stop.

The temptation is too high and there is no deterrent at all.

ChattyLion · 19/05/2019 09:06

Flowers to that psychiatric nurse for blowing the whistle to the GMC.
Health professionals do not do this kind of thing lightly.

FannyCann · 19/05/2019 09:10

A bit more detail from up thread.

The third was a patient who was suffering from gender dysphoria and was being prescribed a large number of psychiatric medicines to keep his mental distress at bay. He was denied access to gender care on the NHS, so reached out to Drs Webberley for support. Having reviewed the case, Dr Webberley prescribed gender-affirming hormones. These were then subsequently confiscated by his psychiatric nurse. She complained to the GMC that gender hormones would be harmful."

Very well done that nurse.

Popchyk · 19/05/2019 09:16

Good on that nurse for reporting him.

Webberley probably wouldn't know about the young patient's severe mental distress. Because they don't investigate the patient's background at all.

Presumably they don't have access to the patient's medical records? And probably wouldn't bother to look even if they did. And just take the word of someone who is asking for cross-sex hormones. Was probably done in a phone call or email.

I certainly hope that advocates for these young people are seeking legal advice.

R0wantrees · 19/05/2019 09:42

Then the law is an ass. What is to now stop parents getting plastic surgery for toddlers? Breast enlargements for 14 year olds? Maybe give the kids a tail or unicorn horn?

Johanna Olson-Kennedy is no doubt one of the 'internationally renowned' gender experts that Drs Helen & Mike Webberley rely upon to support their clinical decisions..
Olson-Kennedy was recently hosted by Peter Dunne (TELI & Bristol University law lecturer). The clear international connections with UK private clinics as well as trans lobby charities/groups as TELI, Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence need to be understood.

April 17th 2019 Long Transgender Trend report worth reading in full,
'Johanna Olson-Kennedy and the US Gender Affirmative Approach'
(key extracts)
" Over the past two weeks we have had the chance to see exactly what that looks like through the visit of one of the most influential people in the area of gender care in the US, Dr Johanna Olson-Kennedy of the Centre for Transgender Health and Development Children’s Hospital, Los Angeles.

Olson-Kennedy is currently in receipt of a $5.7million NIH grant to study the effects of early medical interventions for adolescents with gender dysphoria. Mid-way through the study, the minimum age for cross-sex hormone treatment was decreased from 13 to 8. (This means that an 8 year-old girl with precocious puberty may be given testosterone.) The lack of a control group and a short-term follow-up virtually ensures that Olson-Kennedy will get the results she is after and testosterone use will be declared ‘best practice’ for girls in early puberty. Olson-Kennedy is an enthusiastic advocate for testosterone for 12 and 13 year-old girls (see below).

The University of Bristol Law School has invited Olson-Kennedy to the UK as a Benjamin Meaker visiting professor. The main purpose of the Benjamin Meaker Visiting Professorship is “to bring distinguished researchers from abroad” according to their website. In late March and early April Olson-Kennedy was a keynote speaker at the Re-Thinking Trans Healthcare conference, organised by Peter Dunne and Mermaids, and gave a public lecture, both events at the University of Bristol. She also took part in a live Facebook event with Dr Helen Webberley and was a speaker at the recent European Professional Association for Transgender Health (EPATH) conference in Rome." (continues)

Things have clearly moved so far ahead in the US that Olson-Kennedy interpreted the term ‘cautious approach’ to mean the physical intervention of puberty blockers. Because blockers create a medically-induced menopause for adolescent girls, leading to hot flashes, memory problems, insomnia and “all the lovely things about menopause which turns out to suck when you’re in your forties but it’s really bad when you’re 15” Olson-Kennedy’s solution is to use blockers plus testosterone.

“I don’t know that that’s cautious, to put a 14 year-old into menopause” she says, “maybe that feels more cautious,” and “it looks like caution because we’re not giving them testosterone.” Olson-Kennedy gives testosterone to 13 and 14 year-old girls “frequently” and to 12 year-olds “sometimes.” She has absolutely no concern if a girl later regrets the permanent change of voice and male-pattern body and facial hair, along with potentially compromised fertility and sexual function.

“If it’s okay at 13 but understanding of gender changes when they get older it’s not going to be the right thing for them anymore and they’ll navigate that.” (continues)

Olson-Kennedy is able to side-step the issue of children’s malleability, vulnerability to adult suggestion and capacity to consent by the simple decision to make no distinction at all between children and adults.

“…talk about it when you’re three, when you’re 15, when you’re 21, it’s absurd, we really have to understand that people know their gender – they’re not making a decision about their gender, they’re making a decision about what to do with it if it doesn’t match their assigned sex at birth.”

”Professor Carl Heneghan points out that “children are not small adults” and that we must differentiate between adult and child bodies because there will be different effects from medical interventions. Children are not mini-adults either physically or developmentally and to make no differentiation between adults and children in gender identity services is a gross failure to recognise the status of childhood. It is noticeable that Olson-Kennedy very rarely uses the word ‘child’ but mainly refers to ‘people’:

“People come in, they already know their gender…I think it’s weird that a stranger would know your gender better than you. I just think that’s odd.”

Along with the choice to ignore a child’s developmental stage and capacity to understand, Olson-Kennedy also has little faith in the diagnostic skills of other clinical professionals working with children; to her, gender is at the root of everything (continues)

It’s worth looking at Olson-Kennedy’s full statement in the Facebook live event for Gender GP Helen Webberley:

“Gender expression is incredibly fluid for all humans including cisgender people and so having these conversations about what elements of your physical body do you want to impact or might even want to change.. I’ve had non-binary folks assigned female at birth who take testosterone for a year and they know they’re going to take it for a year and they stop after their voice goes down or some other element of their physicality changes and they’re feeling comfortable in that presentation. A lot of non-binary young people assigned female at birth really only want chest surgery and that’s a critical piece for them in order to express their gender in a way that feels most authentic for them.”

“Gender” is not just a mysterious innate essence but a cosmetic consumer choice, with the body as the product. At the Bristol conference Olson-Kennedy stressed the importance of a double mastectomy to solve the problem of harms caused by binding the breasts. “If you want breasts at a later point in your life you can go and get them” ( she told her audience at a Gender Spectrum event last Summer." (continues)

We already have highly-funded lobby groups who are pressuring the Tavistock and the NHS, who are invited into schools to re-educate children, and who have succeeded in getting ‘gender identity’ added to the Memorandum of Understanding on Conversion Therapy, which effectively mandates the gender affirmative approach. The NHS is already working towards the commissioning of ‘alternative’ gender services for adults, which will include 17 year-olds. The ground has been prepared in incremental steps so that the award of a Visiting Professorship from the University of Bristol to Olson-Kennedy has passed by with little notice or concern.

Those within the faith appear to be quite confident. From the Facebook Live Gender GP event, here is the last word from disgraced GP Helen Webberley:

“We have a blank canvas, we have no training in the UK we have no specialist register in the UK so we have a blank canvas that we could make, we could start this ball rolling. With the influence we’re learning from our US colleagues, I think this is a really exciting time for the future.”
www.transgendertrend.com/johanna-olson-kennedy-gender-affirmative-approach/

'Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy explains why mastectomies for healthy teen girls is no big deal'

Needmoresleep · 19/05/2019 09:51

R0, my understanding (happy to be corrected as it is based on something random I picked up) is that there are two main academic centres for the study of medical ethics. Oxford and Bristol. They seem to be going in very different directions.

I assume that somewhere, behind closed doors, there are some real clashes over policy and approach. The suspension of a second Dr Webberley, given the links to Bristol's law and ethics departments, will hopefully give weight to an Oxford perspective.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/05/2019 09:54

I despair.

I saw a banner at my local supermarket all rainbows and ‘we supper the lgbTTTTTT community’ and m&s now sell a lgbTTTTTT sandwich (which isn’t going down well by the looks of it).

It’s all about the T isn’t it? Where were they back in the day - I didn’t see any banging on about gay rights or women’s rights. But hey, they didn’t have rainbows and unicorns and sparkles did they? All very fun, fluffy and child orientated. It’s mike carnival! They don’t show the reality of medical intervention or the violence of some of these activists.

They didn’t give a shit when gay men and women were beaten to pulps/to death because of their sexuality. But the emotional blackmail of the false suicide stats in the T community - and the screaming of ‘literal violence’ of calling someone by some imaginary gender other than what they imagine themselves to be?

There is no one ‘community’ and how does T even fit in with LGB? It is something else surely.

Women’s crime stats are skewed (for those carrying out the crimes anyway) to include a male bodied person who says ‘hey you bigot, I’m a woman!’ (However any victim is generally tagged noting their biological reality). Why is this?

I think it is an attempt to gain stealth acceptance of biological internal belief as a gateway to the complete dissolution of women’s rights.

‘Here endeth today’s lesson from the Book of Angry Fekko...’ (sorry about that rant but I’m cross).

R0wantrees · 19/05/2019 10:09

R0, my understanding (happy to be corrected as it is based on something random I picked up) is that there are two main academic centres for the study of medical ethics. Oxford and Bristol. They seem to be going in very different directions.

I don't know but its interesting to hear.
The important paper & study published by Professor Carl Heneghan cames from Oxford but their Evidence Based Medicine department.

Peter Dunne has played key roles in the implementation of trans rights. Dunne was involved in Ireland (TENI), then an 'independent international adviser' at the Women & Equalities Trans Equality Inquiry.
Dunne has since taken up a post in Bristol University Law Dept, is part of TELI & was obviously key in bringing Olson-Kennedy over and securing her the visiting professor role and hosting the trans healthcare event.

R0wantrees · 19/05/2019 10:18

I assume that somewhere, behind closed doors, there are some real clashes over policy and approach. The suspension of a second Dr Webberley, given the links to Bristol's law and ethics departments, will hopefully give weight to an Oxford perspective.

There will Im sure be discussions about wider ideological, policy and ethical concerns.

Unfortunately these can distract from what should be firm standards of ethical medical treatment.
Well established knowledge about child development, impact of trauma/abuse, pre existing mental health issues, family dynamics & the central obligations of Duty of Care & Safeguarding frameworks should never be disregarded.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 19/05/2019 10:23

It's more difficult to persue a civil claim against someone living in a different country

The case would be against their medical indemnity insurance which might help.

R0wantrees · 19/05/2019 10:29

Webberley probably wouldn't know about the young patient's severe mental distress. Because they don't investigate the patient's background at all.

Presumably they don't have access to the patient's medical records? And probably wouldn't bother to look even if they did.

Helen Webberley / GenderGp's commitment to affirmative medical treatment for all means that they can't/won't consider age, medical history, child development, trauma/abuse, coexisting health /disability, social or familial influences as prohibitive to medical interventions.

Its very dangerous.

Popchyk · 19/05/2019 10:33

Andrew Gilligan on Twitter.

Talking about the new gender hacienda.

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1129893181770883072

Suspended child sex-change doctors flee UK for their new gender hacienda

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