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Dr Mike Webberley suspended

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Brighterf · 18/05/2019 07:06

Seems like Dr Mike Webberley has now also been suspended and he and his wife now plan to take their services overseas. Can't see this reported elsewhere yet though.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/mike-webberley-suspended-trans-kids/

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FannyCann · 18/05/2019 09:19

I assumed that list was from his cv/claims of grandeur rather than his actual registered specialism.

LangCleg · 18/05/2019 09:23

I assumed that list was from his cv/claims of grandeur rather than his actual registered specialism.

Indeed. Presumably LGBT journalists think that doctors should be able to self--identify their specialisms. No fact checking required.

moonrises · 18/05/2019 09:27

I wonder if his 'specialisms' is actually the areas he worked in as a (then) senior house officer?

R0wantrees · 18/05/2019 09:30

Therefore, GenderGP now operates from outside the UK and all medical care is provided from doctors in trans friendly countries. Drs Mike and Helen Webberley continue in a non-medical advocacy role.

Gender GP business model has changed, it is now a 'portal'
Presumably doctors from North America / Australia will be providing medical care/prescriptions & referrals for surgery abroad?

from their updated website:
"GenderGP is a portal through which you can access a whole range of specialists that can provide advice, treatment and support to gender diverse people.
Our vision is to enable and support anyone to happily and comfortably embrace their gender.
We offer direct access to a diverse range of experts who provide timely, accessible and affordable help and support.
We believe in self empowerment and self identification which puts the individual in charge of their own gender journey."

Governance:
All service providers are independent practitioners and are accountable for their own advice, care and services.
All personel are chosen for their commitment to quality and their affirmative approach.
Everyone is bound by the highest standards of governance which are guided by GenderGP, but each person is responsible for their own actions and advice.
GenderGP can put you in touch with a wide range of healthcare, advice and information providers for gender diverse people, and those who support them.
GenderGP offers direct access to a diverse range of experts who provide timely, accessible and affordable help and support. We believe in self empowerment and self identification which puts the individual in charge of their own gender journey.
The GenderGP Mission: To provide access to 100% confidential, safe and genuine gender-affirmative care.
Ask for more information"

FannyCann · 18/05/2019 09:33

doctors should be able to self--identify their specialisms LOL. A lesson in casting a critical eye over a doctor's qualifications when you are looking for a specialist. Confused

On the plus side, I find this very cheering. The GMC seems to be taking a dim view of some trans care, they don't like affirmative care and want proper evaluation and supervision. Common sense and NHS ethics may prevail yet.

Wondering when a certain other Dr will bunk off to Spain. My sympathies to the Spanish!

Popchyk · 18/05/2019 09:40

Much more difficult to sue your doctors if they move to a different country of course.

I think they've always seen that the lawsuits will be coming in from patients and have always intended to move to Spain when that day approaches. They'll probably stay in Wales for the foreseeable future, but declare that they are operating from Spain, and only move permanently to Spain when the net closes in.

And of course the UK police would find it more difficult to prosecute rogue doctors criminally if they reside and operate in Spain.

R0wantrees · 18/05/2019 09:40

I think they're just registering the business in Spain, the Webberley's have been keenly stressing that they spend a lot of time in their Malaga home for a while now.
Presumably ensuring they fulfil any local requirements?

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2019 09:43

What noise does a duck make?

SlipperyLizard · 18/05/2019 09:45

I can’t wait for clinics affirming the body dysmorphia of people with anorexia to pop up. I mean, if they think their body is wrong and they need to starve it, we should believe them and affirm it, right?

I really don’t see how this is any different.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/05/2019 09:47

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Genderfreelass · 18/05/2019 09:50

This is fantastic news regarding the GMC approach to transfer care.

Worrying the can continue to provide a service from outside the UK 😕

I am curious who the other 2 Dr's are as I've only heard mention of these 2.

As for motive - god complex maybe? Money I'm sure plays a part as well.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 18/05/2019 09:53

All personel are chosen for their commitment to quality and their affirmative approach.

Chosen for their affirmative approach? I've just watched the Swedish documentary Trans Train. The affirmative approach is not the way to go, to put it mildly. I'm devastated for those young women who now regret the damage done to their bodies since they were teenagers, and the doctors just shrug their shoulders and go 'it was a joint decision'.

DuMondeB · 18/05/2019 09:54

"He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

There was a Dr Curtis who closed their private practice in similar circumstances at the end of 2017

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9784545/Dr-Richard-Curtis-transsexual-doctor-faces-investigation.html

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/6fi1b7/dr_curtis_announces_that_transhealth_is_to_close/

(Speculation on my behalf here, but I think NHS GIC doctors such as James Barrett take a dim view of private practioners - there are a few NHS doctors who also practise privately, but anyone outside of the small number of NHS specialists is treated with extreme suspicion. Recent events suggest their seems to be merit to that suspicion, and fuck knows trans-questioning patients are ripe for exploitation for profit, due to a lack of official protocols)

HandsOffMyRights · 18/05/2019 09:56

A post on Twitter: 'Mike Webberley was charging the 1600 children more than £360 plus £30 a month each to give them hormones that Cancer Research said yesterday increase the risk of developing cancer (and are strongly linked with heart disease and brain damage)'

Dr Mike Webberley suspended
HandsOffMyRights · 18/05/2019 09:58

Better picture

Dr Mike Webberley suspended
RedToothBrush · 18/05/2019 10:02

"He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

And no MP attended a talk at the HoC about medical ethics and the trans agenda and instead Moonie was suspended from the Labour Party and subsequently resigned.

That's telling.

It's great that the GMC are doing this, but if political support swings behind giving exceptions for ethics for trans medicine, then the GMC will be powerless to do anything.

And I also note that despite the GMC’s efforts the Quacks at Webberely HQ are still able to keep going. They need a jail term and there needs to be a means to shut down that clinic full stop permanently.

DuMondeB · 18/05/2019 10:03

The other of the 4 doctors is presumably Dr Russell Reid:

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/25/health.medicineandhealth2

www.bmj.com/content/333/7575/935.2

Dr Curtis took over Reid’s business, the London Gender Clinic

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/06/transexualism-gender-reassignment-richard-curtis

PencilsInSpace · 18/05/2019 10:04

FannyCann - "He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

Dr Richard Curtis, as per DuMondeB's post. Also Dr Russell Reid in 2007:

The UK's best-known expert on transsexualism was today found guilty of serious professional misconduct for rushing five patients into sex-changing treatments, but avoided being struck off.

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/25/health.medicineandhealth2

Popchyk · 18/05/2019 10:05

Interesting, HandsOff.

I'm sure that it is just money that motivates them.

They used to have a list of their (very steep) charges on their website. Which were:

Initial advice is "free" where they sell the other services to you. Remember most of this will be done online with patients never meeting the doctors or counsellors.

Administration fee - £195
Counselling - £50
Appointments - Clinic (£175), Video (£75), Telephone (£50)
Blood tests - price on application
Medication - £20+ (or free if NHS has authorised)
Monthly Fee (advice, prescriptions, letters, GP supervision) - £30
Letters and Reports - £25 plus any assessments

They've revamped their fees page and are now being coy about how much stuff actually costs. Always a sign of stellar professional service in my experience.

They were also flogging "nutritional" advice for a while.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/05/2019 10:08

Those fees!
I agree that in this case, money is the root of all....

R0wantrees · 18/05/2019 10:14

I can’t wait for clinics affirming the body dysmorphia of people with anorexia to pop up. I mean, if they think their body is wrong and they need to starve it, we should believe them and affirm it, right?

It will more likely be affirming BIID next (limb removal etc)
There are clear parallels as evident in this article from last year:

'Living with Body Integrity Identity Disorder: A condition that convinces sufferers to amputate their own limbs'

metro.co.uk/2018/10/11/living-with-body-integrity-identity-disorder-a-condition-that-convinces-sufferers-to-amputate-their-own-limbs-8023938/

Not least that Dr Russell Reid was involved.

Julie Bindel wrote about this in 2003 Sunday Telegraph:

(extract)
"Today the best-known psychiatrist dealing with transsexualism is Dr Russell Reid, who runs a private practice as well as working in the NHS. In 2000 Reid was involved in controversy over the condition known as Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD), where sufferers can experience a desperate urge to rid themselves of a limb. Reid was one of the psychiatrists who referred two patients with BDD to a surgeon for leg amputations. ‘When I first heard of people wanting amputations it seemed bizarre in the extreme,’ he said in a television documentary at the time, ‘but then I thought, "I see transsexuals and they want healthy parts of their body removed in order to adjust to their idealised body image," and so I think that was the connection for me. I saw that people wanted to have their limbs off with equally as much degree of obsession and need.’

But to what degree should doctors be acquiescent to the ‘obsessions’ and ‘needs’ of patients; should there be a point at which they are duty-bound to say no? I asked Dr Reid how he decides on the suitability of surgery for a GID sufferer. ‘The patient makes their own diagnosis, and I confirm or refute it. If I am happy that they are serious about considering surgery in the future, I will prescribe hormones and expect them to live as a woman (or a man, if it is a female-to-male patient) for at least a year. If, after that time, they are mentally stable, living a reasonable and public life and functioning as a whole human being, and if the hormones have been effective, I would consider them worthy of surgery." (continues)
archive.li/1bcWN#selection-287.0-295.716

FannyCann · 18/05/2019 10:17

Thanks Pencils and DuMondeB

Popchyk · 18/05/2019 10:17

How many of these gender specialists offer free treatment?

There's your answer.

None of them are believers.

They are all charlatans.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 18/05/2019 10:18

And no MP attended a talk at the HoC about medical ethics and the trans agenda and instead Moonie was suspended from the Labour Party and subsequently resigned.

That's telling.

It's unforgivable. See nothing, hear nothing, do nothing. I've had enough of the cowardice of MPs who go around telling journalists that they're worried but can't say anything publicly because transphobia. They need to grow a spine, pronto.

R0wantrees · 18/05/2019 10:21

Just as there is an outpouring of unquestioning support for the Drs Webberley from their patients/customers, Russell Reid enjoyed the same.

Wiki:
"Britain's primary lobbying organization for transgender and transsexual people, Press for Change, was quoted as saying that Reid received support during the process from more than 150 patients as well as additional experts in the area. Furthermore, as many as 462 of Dr. Reid' s ex patients posted positive comments during and after his hearing on a blogspot In Support of Dr. Russell Reid, and still continue to leave positive feedback."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Reid

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