Dr Mike Webberley suspended

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Seems like Dr Mike Webberley has now also been suspended and he and his wife now plan to take their services overseas. Can't see this reported elsewhere yet though.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/mike-webberley-suspended-trans-kids/

Wales Online report of Helen Webberley's conviction & fine:
December 2018
'Doctor ran illegal transgender clinic offering sex-change hormones to kids'
(extracts)
"Dr Helen Webberley, 49, ran a private transgender clinic from her home to treat children wanting to swap sexes.

She offered advice online under the name Gender GP and charged between £75 and £150 an hour to patients looking to have “gender reassignment”.

A court heard Webberley gave hormones to children as young as 12 after the youngsters were denied treatment on the NHS.

Married Webberley was refused a licence to operate her gender clinic by medical services watchdog Healthcare Inspectorate Wales (HIW) last year.

But her firm operated without a licence between March 2017 and February 2018. (continues)

But District Judge Neale Thomas ruled Webberley and her company broke the Care Standards Act.

Russell Davies, defending, said Webberley set up the company in 2014 after working as a GP, initially launching MyWebDoc.com.

Following a “snowballing” of interest on the transgender treatment she decided to open a new website GenderGP.com.

The site offered specialist advice to transgender patients – a topic Webberley had recently become interested in." (continues)

Judge Thomas ordered Webberley to pay a £12,000 fine as well as a £2,000 fine issued to her GenderGP buisness.

Webberley was also told to pay £11,307 costs.

Judge Thomas said: “In this case there seems to be a clear refusal to follow the law and that is a significant aggravating factor.

“Webberley was a doctor of considerable experience. The court has to regard this offence as serious.”

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-ran-illegal-transgender-clinic-15498876

Genuinely baffled why anyone would think that this is good news for trans health care. There is overwhelming support for Mike Webberley from his patients who are more than satisfied with the level of service and care provided. If the GenderGP service was stopped then some former patients would inevitably self-medicate, putting themselves at much greater risk.

If it weasn't for Gender GP they probably would need to be constantly reliant on medication.

why anyone would think that this is good news for trans health care

They are openly experimenting on children as young as 12.

If the GenderGP service was stopped then some former patients would inevitably self-medicate, putting themselves at much greater risk.

In what other circumstances would this be accepted as mitigation against unsafe and unregulated medical practice?

There is overwhelming support for Mike Webberley from his patients who are more than satisfied with the level of service and care provided.

Should some patients voiced 'satisfaction' take priority over upholding Duty of Care responsibilities?

Blencathra GenderGP follows the affirmative approach. The Swedish Trans Train documentary highlights why the affirmative approach is questionable especially when dealing with young girls with ROGD. You can watch it here (with English subtitles):
www.svtplay.se/video/22035454/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-sasong-20-the-trans-train?info=visa

This is what one of the young women who regret transitioning had to say:
"My generation, of mainly young girls, many young girls, who are just a bit different, who stand out from the typical female role… We're one giant experiment. We're guinea pigs. Something that there's no science to back up. Where in the medical field do you do that? Where do you gamble with people's lives like this?"

There is overwhelming support for Mike Webberley from his patients who are more than satisfied with the level of service and care provided.

In other news, most heroin addicts are more than happy with the level of service from their dealer- doesn't make drug dealing an honourable profession.

donquixotedelamancha

I was thinking of a similar analogy.
If a doctor was treating patients with a heroin addiction outside of regulation frameworks and some of her patients were 'satisfied' should she be exempt from all accepted safeguards on the basis that if stopped, the patients would be exposed to the risks associated with buying and using street drugs?

Another, possibly more apt, analogy would be with doctors supplying slimming pills to anorexics. I’m sure many would be ‘satisfied’ with that service.

A doctor’s role should be to address patients needs, not satisfy their ‘customer’s’ demands.

Well, given that we are now talking about essentially unregulated medical practitioners who it would appear will give you an affirmative response if you but pay for it, I fail to see how these quacks are materially different to common or garden drug dealers anyway.

Just because they have a snazzy website and the veneer of respectability doesn't change the ethical bankruptcy of dishing out medication to people with no concept of long term consequences or duty of care.

No, obviously it's not good news for 'trans healthcare' that there hasn't been a much more robust series of consequences, including jail time.

Hacsi Horvath's long article is worth reading in full
personal & professional qualifications:
adjunct Lecturer in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF). I’m an expert in clinical epidemiology, particularly in systematic review methods, epidemiologic bias and evidence quality assessment. As a researcher at UCSF, I managed the Cochrane HIV/AIDS Group for over a decade and on several occasions served as a consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO) in their HIV guideline development processes.

For about 13 years, I also masqueraded “as a woman,” taking medical measures which suggest, shall we say, that I was completely committed to that lifestyle. Most men would have recoiled from this, but in my estrogen-drug-soaked stupor it seemed like a good idea. In 2013 I stopped taking estrogen for health reasons and very rapidly came back to my senses. I ceased all effort to convey the impression that I was a woman and carried on with life.

(extract)
"At a critical point of rumination, after the patient has sufficiently disparaged his or her actual life and idealized life as the opposite sex, he or she realizes that body parts of the opposite sex may be obtained through the services of doctors (Raymond 1979, Billings 1982). Actually transforming into the opposite sex starts to seem feasible. The self-conception “splits” in two, and idealization becomes identity. Having negated any value in their actual male or female presence in the world, and now feeling themselves to actually be the self-generated persona, patients perseveratively ask themselves, “what’s stopping me?” “Feasibility” seems to trigger the split. Here begins the acute phase of GD.

Patients become obsessed with “transition.” To the same extent that they can be energized by the belief that they are making “progress,” as their bodies morph via the hormone drugs and shop clerks address them by their preferred honorifics (i.e. Miss or Ma’am for the males, Sir for the females), they can also feel destroyed by any little delay or perceived setback—including being “misgendered” or identified by others as their actual sex. Nothing else matters but “transition.” The apparent certainty of these patients, as well as their zeal to continue, is seen by “affirmative care” doctors as evidence of “being trans.”

Gender is a hierarchal framework that stratifies and categorizes “masculine” and “feminine” attributes and behaviors. In the context of transgenderism, it is also a convenient rhetorical device to elide the problem of sexed bodies and to label oneself as endorsing one or the other sets of sex role stereotypes. Earlier articulations of GD as “gender identity disorder” made more sense, but it seems that most people understood it to mean “having an opposite-sex gender identity.” I would suggest that it may more accurately be understood as simply an identity disorder, a disordered or disturbed identity, with a fixation on gender.

I agree with the late French psychoanalyst Colette Chiland when she said: “Transsexuals stage everything in the theatre of the body, and nothing in that of the psyche” (Chiland 2003). It is true that persons in the driven, obsessed stages of gender dysphoria can seemingly think of nothing except transition. No-one dreams of asking them to slow down, to seek psychotherapy, perhaps even find a way through this work to prevent transition, which can be costly on so many levels. It would be like standing in the way of a bolting, bucking horse. The fact that people with gender dysphoria are like this is a sign that something is wrong, yet they are not impeded at all.

But doctors are doctors and patients are patients. These surgeries and lifelong hormonal drug regimens didn’t used to be given out like crackerjack prizes. Virtually no research has been done in psychotherapeutic methods to alleviate the symptoms of gender dysphoria, prevent it, or get rid of it altogether. The entire literature comprises a couple of dozen case reports and small case series, some promising, nearly all from before 1990, and all using archaic methods. Based primarily on the pronouncement of Harry Benjamin, the “godfather” of transsexualism, that psychotherapy with these patients was a waste of time, the medical profession increasingly found ways to justify surgical and hormonal transition as the standard of care (Billings 1982). I will get back to this near the end of the article." (continues)
4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-affirmation-and-transgender-identity/

Just because they have a snazzy website and the veneer of respectability doesn't change the ethical bankruptcy of dishing out medication to people with no concept of long term consequences or duty of care.

The dangers of unregulated online clinics were revealed in BBC Panorama last year :

"Online Doctors Uncovered"

Panorama goes undercover to reveal online doctor sites putting profit before patient care. In 2017 the Care Quality Commission issued a warning about the risks of buying drugs prescribed by doctors online. The programme discovers opiate-based painkillers and slimming tablets being sold to potentially vulnerable people and antibiotics being delivered across Europe in the face of warnings about resistance.

Dr Faye Kirkland, journalist and GP, meets the families of patients who have died after online consultations and exposes the sites running rings around the regulators."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3qb74

They really are no better than heroine dealers - worse in fact.

A GIDS whistle blower commented that in hindsight a particular father pushing for puberty blockers was probably doing so to suit his paedophile needs - not quite how they phrased it but that was the basics of what they said. How many very happy paedophile fathers have the webberly's helped? Dr Laidlow an actual specialist in endocrinology had said puberty blockers not only stop the body developing but the brain as well. These quacks are harming children to suit there needs and the needs of dodgy parents, paedos and those with munchausen by proxy. They are also harming vulnerable girls many of whom are autistic. The need relocating to prison not Spain!

screenshot Dr Faye Kirkland (BBC Panorama)

see also BBC Panorama which featured Helen Webberley.

February 2019 'Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters'

"More young people than ever are coming forward to explore their gender identity. Last year, 2,500 under-18s were referred to NHS England's gender identity clinics for support. Some are hoping to get access to potentially irreversible treatments as soon as they can. Doctors are divided about the best way to help - so what is the evidence? Dr Faye Kirkland investigates how much we understand about the care being offered to transgender children."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002tw1

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3517453-Panorama-25-Feb-20-30hrs-Trans-Kids-Why-Medicine-Matters-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

Olly Lambert was the director of this documentary & is one of the speakers at the Brighton meeting #wokenews today.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3562732-Woke-News-Censorship-and-Sensitivities-Standing-For-Women-Brighton-18-May-2019

(OL was the Director of 'Trans Kids, Its Time to Talk' documentary)

"It was probably the moment I realised that not a single charity, journalist, support group or doctor who supported the affirmation of trans kids would take part in a documentary that wanted to ask valid questions about the treatment of …trans kids. THREAD 1/13

At the start of this, I’d undoubtedly have called myself an ally, and still do in a different way. Live and let live, give people the lives and freedoms they want, let kids live their true lives. /2

The film “Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk” sought to ask if if the medication and affirmation of trans kids was always the right path. I’d expected passionate and articulate charities & campaign groups would want to take part and speak about how this process helps. /3

And yet in almost 20 years of making films, I’d never encountered such a systematic refusal to debate something so patently important. Every single "pro trans kids" group refused to speak, and I had to ask why. /4

Stonewall refused, saying that as the film included “gender critical” voices it would be ‘denying the existence of trans people’. This was laughable. Interviews with trans people make up nearly half the film. /5

Britain’s only private “gender GP” Helen Webberley said she’d take part on condition that Stephanie Davies-Arai and DavidTCDavies were not included. Amazed, we asked if there were others she didn’t want us to talk to. She said she’d need to check the “little list” /6 (continues)

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Get em hooked, rinse them, then say how they will self medicate if they are denied access to the drugs you insisted they needed that the NHS said would be unethical and wrong to prescribe them.

And to stress the point this ISN'T adults who are being given 'this service'. Its the PARENTS who are facilitating this for their children. No child can afford those fees.

Its worse than heroine dealers. Most heroine dealers won't take your parent's credit card...

I hope that this is a wake up call to parents. These doctors have been suspended.

Go with the NHS. Time will NOT harm your child.

Agree it’s much worse than drug dealers. They should know better, have taken Hippocratic oath ‘first, do no harm’ yet have acted outwith their competency, outwith any evidence and profited handsomely as a result. The GMC needs to strike them both off permanently.
And it would seem from a previous post that their counsellor is themself transgender, is that right? What chance have those kids got of being properly assessed for all the other things that could be making them dysphoric in a set up that profits financially from their affirmation?? There are just so many things wrong with this

GenderGP article in response to Dr Mike Webberley's suspension by GMC:

'GMC once again fails to protect the safety of trans patients'
by Aby Hawker
(extract)

Dr Mike Webberley fourth doctor to be restricted from treating gender variant patients
GMC knew that restricting highly experienced doctor would leave 1600 patients at risk of sudden withdrawal of treatment
GenderGP has taken the necessary step of moving its working hub outside of the UK
Trans community and its allies are urged to sign the petition calling for better interim care
May 16th, 2019: Having already been criticised in its duty of care to the trans community by The Women and Equality Committee in 2016 , the GMC has once again failed to protect the safety of trans patients.

Despite knowing that he was the sole provider of care for 1600 transgender patients, the GMC has today suspended Dr Mike Webberley MBChB FRCP MD, whose work with the trans and non-binary community has provided life saving interim care, something that is unavailable anywhere else in the UK. Dr Webberley is the fourth UK gender-affirming doctor who has been subject to GMC restrictions.

In response, to secure continuity of care for these patients, GenderGP has taken the necessary step of moving its working hub and medical provision outside of the UK. Patients will experience no change in service other than the reassurance that their care will no longer be subject to what Drs Helen and Mike Webberley have referred to as the “institutional transphobia” which has been evident since Dr Helen Webberley first came under investigation in 2016.

In the meantime, Drs Webberley are urging all gender variant people and their allies to sign its petition calling for better interim healthcare options to be made urgently available (continues)

The three patients in question were all young people. One was a trans boy who was finding the onset of female puberty and chest development distressing, in whom Dr Webberley commenced puberty blockers in line with current UK guidance.

The second was a young trans boy who was prescribed puberty blockers by Dr Helen Webberley at the onset of puberty, and Dr Mike Webberley took over his care when Dr Helen Webberley was temporarily suspended in May 2017.

The third was a patient who was suffering from gender dysphoria and was being prescribed a large number of psychiatric medicines to keep his mental distress at bay. He was denied access to gender care on the NHS, so reached out to Drs Webberley for support. Having reviewed the case, Dr Webberley prescribed gender-affirming hormones. These were then subsequently confiscated by his psychiatric nurse. She complained to the GMC that gender hormones would be harmful."

All three patients and their parents have been more than happy with the care that they received, which is in line with best practice laid out in the Endocrine Society Guidelines, endorsed by the WPATH and adopted by leading gender clinics in the US and Australia." (continues)

As such, provision has been made to take the medical care and management of all GenderGP services outside of the UK. This will ensure that all current and future trans people who depend on their services will have no break in the care they need.

It is important to note that the GMC investigations into Drs Helen and Mike Webberley are still ongoing, and no definitive conclusions have been made. The available pool of expert witnesses who can be called upon to provide opinions and assistance to the GMC is very limited, and includes doctors who themselves provide NHS services which were found to be failing transgender people in the 2016 Women and Equalities enquiry."

gendergp.co.uk/gmc-once-again-fails-to-protect-the-safety-of-trans-patients/

Aby Hawker (Falcon PR) is part of GenderGPs Development Team providing PR consultancy & media management
gendergp.co.uk/about-us-development/

Struck off - any criminal records for either of them?

Look our Spain here they come.

And the ‘happy patients’ - are we talking about the 12 year old children who were given the drugs (told how wonderful, special and brave they were, blah blah bla) or the parents who would argue black was white to back up their decisions made on behalf of their children?

And it would seem from a previous post that their counsellor is themself transgender, is that right? What chance have those kids got of being properly assessed for all the other things that could be making them dysphoric in a set up that profits financially from their affirmation?? There are just so many things wrong with this

Yes.
There seems a crutial lack of understanding about the impact of possible trauma, abuse, co-morbid mental health issues, sexism etc

Judge Thomas ordered Webberley to pay a £12,000 fine as well as a £2,000 fine issued to her GenderGP buisness.

Webberley was also told to pay £11,307 costs.

So she had to pay out over £25,000, and this was no deterrent to continuing with her illegal practice, implying that she's making plenty of money.

According to Companies House, she is currently director of three companies, Gender GP Ltd, My Web Doctor Ltd and Online GP Services Ltd. All three are listed as active companies, but the most recent accounts filed with Companies House state that the first two are 'dormant'. The figures for the other one seem quite low for someone who is not deterred from her illegal activities by fines and costs of over £25,000. Can anyone make sense of this?

Maybe this opens the doors to lawsuits?

Going back to Rowan 12.35 the screenshot from FierceMum - is it true that all GIDS clinicians are psychologists and there are no medically qualified Drs providing care for trans in the UK?

I am both scandalised and rather relieved. Scandalised because these dangerous drug regimes and experimental treatments are being promoted by non doctors. Relieved because it seems apparent that most sensible Drs don't want to touch this with a barge pole and steer well clear.