Police are criminalising opinions, say campaigners: The Times 11/05/2019

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-are-criminalising-opinions-say-campaigners-2w6bskfdj

Glad Gilligan is covering this.

I joined twitter to contact all 3 of those people @amalfimamma they have all ignored me. But thank you for answering honestly and to those who sent a private messag. I can not stop asking what happened to my money and whether Kate got any but I will stop on this thread.

Great to see the amount steadily making progress hour by hour.

I would trust Harry with my life. I don't trust my husband nor indeed myself with it

Aww. What a lovely thing to have said about you!

@CatMiaow

Please feel free to contact me on here if you have any questions and I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

LangCleg you know I trust no-one so when I say that there's trust there you know it's true

@CatMiaow

I'd like answers to your q's but we can't ask on MN 😕

With regard to Harry the method they are using to get support is a lot better so I will support Harry but won't use the other support system again. Hope this makes sense!

7,495 nice things. Go Harry!

*CatMiaowi

"Thank you for replying @datun
I didn’t realise the other one was openly speculative. I just followed glinners tweet that made out half was going to women for legal fees. I feel like a thicko."

I didn't mean that it was known to be speculative. Sorry, I think my post was ambiguous.

Everyone has explained the difference in the two 'things', so I'll it there.

Bumping for 8,265 nice things.

We've been talking about the logging and investigation of so-called hate incidents being based on perception of others rather than actual motivation of perpetrators for a long time on here. It's fabulous that someone is finally trying to redress the ways in which this makes statistics meaningless and how it can be weaponised in particular by abusive people with Duluth wheel behaviour patterns in the same way that the family courts are often used by abusive men to continue to abuse their ex partners.

Giving 25k to Tommy Robinson fans Harry and Rob to defend their right to free speech? What could possibly go wrong?

Originally read the titles as "Police are criminalising onions"...

It's fabulous that someone is finally trying to redress the ways in which this makes statistics meaningless and how it can be weaponised in particular by abusive people with Duluth wheel behaviour patterns

Exactly. Litigious people getting a hard on by exploiting the rules has to stop.

And actual, truthful stats would be a refreshing change.

whatsforbreakfast

Welcome to the boards. That's quite a first message. Where did you get the idea either Harry or Rob were TR supporters. I've know both for a long time and have never heard nor seen them support TR.

I'm sure you've heard of slander, haven't you?

And actual, truthful stats would be a refreshing change.

Monitoring actual hate would be good. But if you're producing figures that you openly admit have nothing to do with anybody's actual, evidenced motivations, you're not doing that.

What's for Breakfast
Neither Rob nor Harry are TR supporters. If you make statements like that please provide evidence

Just talk past the idiots, Amalfimamma, otherwise they end up dominating entire threads.

Good comment from That Which Shall Not Be Mentioned But Accepts Good Things:

We need to stop the police from effectively making up laws.

That's the crux of it. We live in a democracy where our representatives make laws: not a police state where they make up their own.

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tbf Rob is more apologist than fan

twitter.com/robjessel/status/1008684201544122368

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HTH

LangCleg

Very true dear.

whatsforbreakfast

If you looked at my Twitter from 2014 you'd find me supporting self Id and labour but you knock yourself out! If you wanted to make a tit out of yourself you're doing a grade A job of it

I find the idea that if you agree with a person on one thing you agree with everything they say/do ludicrously childish. It's a bit like kids saying to each other if you are friends with X then you can't be friends with me/us. TRA tried it on with the left leaning Martina, accusing her of being far right because she believes males have physical advantages over females.

So if Harry has supported TR or even if he still does it is irrelevant to this issue other than a poor attempt at a smear campaign. Try harder breakfast.

Goodness, how very desperate.

Good of you to show your hand....must have taken a lot of work to dig those old tweets up

About to be on Talk Radio with JHB. Harry the Owl

You asked for evidence, sorry I provided it. Everyone can put their time, money and hero worship where they choose. Mine will go to feminists, not men who are worried about their free speech who say "Now it the time, Tommy, I'm in." Please resume attacking me for saying so.

I used to sell Militant. The idea that I am now a Trotskyite is bizarre. People's opinions and priorities change. Harry just said on Talk Radio that he thinks using hate crime legislation if a group of white thugs want to beat up a black person is fine and what the law is designed for (or something like that I don't recall the exact words). Also you can agree with someone on one issue and disagree on another.

Saw this on twitter which might help answer some questions

twitter.com/BishBas58122507/status/1127858347913371648?s=19