Police are criminalising opinions, say campaigners: The Times 11/05/2019

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-are-criminalising-opinions-say-campaigners-2w6bskfdj

Glad Gilligan is covering this.

Here is the website:

www.faircop.org.uk/

Here is the Twatter:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

Since the earlier crowdfunding link will likely be deleted, the first link may be helpful!

By the way: my usual MO stands. Quid per plopper.

second to Germany in its tyrannical approach to censoring anything they consider un-PC
What examples of German 'censorship' are you thinking of?

Wait what?

You give a pound everytime a plopper turns up on mumsnet

You must be proper rich!!!

It must cost shedloads!

Only ploppers on the relevant threads!

Oh

Well now im disappointed

I can give you a quid if you like!

Theres gotta be a catch

Do i have to plop?

Well done Harry & all - much needed. Comments under the article are almost 100% in favour and horrified!

Considering the article hasn’t hit the print version yet, the volume of comments is pretty high and they are loading apace. Be interesting to see how it looks by noon tomorrow.

With Maya's freedom of belief angle and Harry an co going for the freedom of speech angle this is reaching a far bigger audience. Huge amount of peaktrans in the comments with people not wanting to be told what they can/can't think and say 😊

Talking of fascism... Mimmymum this evening:

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. What they’re not entitled to is to duck the legal repercussions of voicing that opinion if it is against the law.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1127326942255042560?s=19

Goodness:

twitter.com/MonochromeAdvic/status/1127327357335896064?s=20

I shall be supporting Harry the Owl. All the damn way.

*its definition of a transgender “hate incident” as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender”.

The definition states that “hate incidents” must be recorded “irrespective of whether there is any evidence to identify the hate element”. *

Am I understanding this correctly? Not only is a 'hate incident' not a crime (which might lead one to think it's no business of the police...), it doesn't even require any basis of actual hostility or prejudice? Only a case of a complainant alleging that B did or said something that while not illegal, the complainant took to be hateful?

'If you have an indefensible opinion, prepare to go to gaol' from Eresh's 23.37 Twitter ref.

IMHO believing that humans can change sex is literally indefensible: can't be defended by argument as it's such bollocks, being totally untrue. So can we look forward to mass jailings of trans believers? No, thought not.

My Times subscription cost doubled last month but I'm keeping it for articles like these.

Quite often, my students write essays in which they are unable to defend their opinions. I guess I should be contacting the police every time I read one of these 😂

Well done Harry & everyone else involved.

"Indefensible opinions" like TWAW 😂😂😂

The most concerning thing about all this is that if you are interviewed by the police at the behest of some malicious trans activist for some imaginary 'hate crime', then this is recorded on your police record as a "non-crime hate incident" (one of the most Orwellian phrases I have ever typed) even if you have done nothing wrong, and the case is dismissed by the police.

This is happening not only with trans but with other vendettas and grievances. Take the car of the elderly lady in her 70s who beeped her horn at a younger woman who was taking ages at a petrol station. The younger woman reported it as a "hate crime" as she was black and the elderly lady was white. The police say they were obliged to investigate and the poor older woman now has this on her record. Every year it is reported that "hate crime reports are up". Are they? Are they up, or are nasty, manipulative, cynical trans activists reporting every one they don't like? There should be a campaign to get this stupid legislation revoked, and police forces around the country should be made aware that they will be cynically used by trans activists to silence and harass political opponents.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elderly-woman-questioned-police-hate-13535704

Crikey! I clicked on that Twitter link to see what it was about and apparently I am blocked. Have no idea who this person is nor have I spoken to them. This seems very weird and somewhat immature; akin to a four year old hiding behind a cushion convinced I can't see him either.

If I was mimmymum I'd be keeping a VERY low profile on this particular issue.

Have supported Harry, man's a legend. Bring on the sunlight!

That twitter link . But they wouldn't be the only ones to get to decide which opinions are indefensible.

Good that Crowdjustice was chosen for the crowdfunding, I think.

Also 2,585 other good things but we're not supposed to mention them.

Apropos of absolutely nothing to do with any Twatter naysayers, I am surprised - and a little disappointed - not to see Miranda Yardley among the case studies on the website.