Jezebel.com lumps GC feminists in with the alt-right

[CaptSkippy]

Yes, I know that I should not waste my time with a site like Jezebel. I saw this post a few days ago and skipped over it as total nonsense. Today I saw it trending on their front page:

jezebel.com/the-unholy-alliance-of-trans-exclusionary-radical-femin-1834120309

This must be deliberate right?

Amazing how nobody's talking about Jezebel's disingenuous conflation of feminism with the alt-right.

I (JAQ) wonder (JAQ) why (JAQ) that (JAQ) could (JAQ) be?

There are many disorders that cannot be explained or seen, how can you be so sure that transgender people are not suffering from a hidden malfunction at birth of being born with the mismatched reproductive organs and chromosomes?

You're talking about intersex conditions.
With respect spag, you're painting yourself as someone with a critical mind, but you're just repeating old, old arguments that have no basis in fact or logic, and in the space of one thread you've gone from criticising reactions to Posie's American trip to suggesting that trans could be a form of intersex. As someone who claims to have been reading threads here for years, you shouldn't be surprised if the response is "boring".

Speaking of Posie. At Lesbians on Chairs Julia Long did a brilliant talk on not letting ourselves get dragged in to arguments about trans rights and distracted from our focus on women’s rights. I thought there was a lot in that.

Who is Jaques?

I’d hoped for some healthy discussion, I see that if you do not nod along to the hive you are shown the door though.

But, people are answering you? Most disagreeing does not mean anyone is being 'hounded off' or 'shown the door' or anything? Its odd how so many come on here and think that tbh.

Tbh though, your argument to me is coming across as basically..you big meanies won't condemn Posie for doing stuff so therefor its obvious you are aligned with the far right or something.

We should be suspicious of subjective things like what women say.

If a person identified as left-wing, would they be left-wing?

Quite possibly, because political beliefs are abstract.

If a British person identified as French, would they be French?

No, because nationality goes beyond individual belief. But there are things they could do to become French, e.g. apply for citizenship. Abstract identities can be changed.

If a human identified as a cat, would they be a cat?

No, they would be a person who identified as a cat. They can never actually be a cat because of biological reality.

Do you see the difference?

No intersex conditions are completely different as they are identified at birth and are not the same as transgender.
I’m talking about hidden conditions. There is so much about the human body and mind that we haven’t even begun exploring, I don’t know how it can be shut down with a blasé attitude.
The fact is on many of these threads, whenever a subject or points are raised that aren’t just agreeing or adding positive input, it tends to go ignored. It may have been said before but never really commented on much.
People on MN seem very sure of themselves and what they are saying and believe they will be on the right side of history but a lot of the time, aren’t willing to engage in other thoughts much or detail their own thoughts beyond the ‘boring’ reponse of AHF on a loop.
I’ve watched these threads for a long time, it was datun I think that first explained it all to me and I found her very insightful but it does seem to have moved away from discussing implications on woman’s rights and more towards discussions on various TRA individuals.
I think a lot of people like me will have moved away from the GC movement since the ‘USA incident’ and this thread felt like a good place to get back involved and find out where it’s all going but it seems other views and discussions aren’t welcome much as is evident. More than happy to be disagreed with, but not with stupid responses such as ‘JAQ JAQ’ and ‘she would’ve shut it down’ etc.

At Lesbians on Chairs Julia Long did a brilliant talk on not letting ourselves get dragged in to arguments about trans rights and distracted from our focus on women’s rights. I thought there was a lot in that.

This thread being a most marvellous example.

beyond the ‘boring’ reponse of AHF on a loop.

Reality is often boring. Far better to indulge in wild unfounded speculation and pomo "words mean anything I want them to" flights of fancy when the truth is so prosaic.

here are many disorders that cannot be explained or seen, how can you be so sure that transgender people are not suffering from a hidden malfunction at birth of being born with the mismatched reproductive organs and chromosomes?

Transgenderism as it presents itself today, is a modern creation.
The rate of transgendered people increases with its publicity & its promotion.

You may, also, as well ask are gay people suffering from 'malfunctions' - since at one end of the life span it is mainly young gay men and women who are transitioning.

The rate of older, male transvestites transitioning into full time 'womanly pursuit' is also on the increase - as transgenderism and transitioning becomes a contemporary 'thing' - and with the explosion on trans, and other types, of pornography.

Modern medicine and surgical technique have also fuelled a demand for body modification in response to personal feelings of discomfort, anxiety, dysmorphia, fetish etc. A whole industry, and professional careers, have been built around this post-modern ideology, funded by people such as J.Pritzker, and other prominent, and wealthy, transvestites and gay men.

The fact that the desistance rate is so high - and that many/most young people eventually do desist, puts paid to the idea that there is some biological imperative - and points to the fact that 'transgenderism' is actually a social construct.

I'm sure many billions of American dollars are being poured into finding some biological link, though. Seek and ye shall find.

I think a lot of people like me will have moved away from the GC movement since the ‘USA incident’

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I really shouldn't do this but
I think a lot of people like me will have moved away from the GC movement since the 'USA incident'...
Are you 12? Seriously, do you think that women's concerns about women's and children's wellbeing are governed by some kind of cabal? Really? You don't get it, do you? There's a vast baggy disparate mass of women with all kinds of different backgrounds - yes, black and white, young and old, atheists and Catholics, Muslims and Jews, Brexiters and anti-Brexiters - all of whom will defend the right to be gender critical.

It's meant to be a hatchet piece on Julia Beck I guess. Silly author quoted her too much though

“When we get down to it, women and girls all share a biological reality,” she told a sympathetic Carlson. “We are all female. But if any man, if any male person can call himself a woman or legally identify as female, then predatory men will do so in order to gain access to women’s single-sex spaces, and this puts every woman and girl at risk.”

well yes. what's wrong with that?

I think there was a study recently that said trans brains align more closely to that of their desired sex

If that had any basis in fact then you would expect to see far more empathy and understanding; whereas the opposite is true. Absolutely no real identification with women and their situation at all. It is all based on purely superficial understandings and projections of gendered femininity. Clothes, make-up, mannerisms etc.

And typically gendered masculine behaviours inevitable appear from behind the smoke and mirrors. Didn't Paris Leese proudly state that men travelled from around the country to have sex with 'her' ( for money, of course). I just can't imagine an actual woman boasting in such a way. And the hammer attack in Liverpool the other day - supposedly perpetrated by a 'woman' - turns out to have been perpetrated by a fifty five year old man dressed in a woman's cardigan. The film shows 'her' squaring up to the 16 year old girl in very masculine habit. ( apparently this person has acted as an advisor to Merseyside police on equality and inclusion issues......).

I think the explosion in the number of men identifying as transgender is closely linked to the development of the internet and an equivalent explosion in porn. The multitude of online groups dedicated to AGP creates a huge space in which men can interact, form echo chambers and build up a head of dysphoria.

People from across the political spectrum choose not to believe in a magical gender essence. Just like both right and left wingers choose not to believe the Earth is flat. Objective facts are politically neutral.

The trouble is that belief in a magical gender essence has been aggressively positioned as a progressive cause. That means people on the left are reluctant to question it, while people on the right are not, giving the impression that not believing in magical gender essences is a right-wing belief.

In fact, a lot of left-wing people don't believe in them either, but they know the dire consequences of admitting it.

No intersex conditions are completely different as they are identified at birth and are not the same as transgender

Caster Semenya's condition wasn't properly identified until nine years ago.

Your reply was far better than mine, Persifleur and sets out how preposterous the original claim was.

You don't get it, do you? There's a vast baggy disparate mass of women with all kinds of different backgrounds - yes, black and white, young and old, atheists and Catholics, Muslims and Jews, Brexiters and anti-Brexiters - all of whom will defend the right to be gender critical.

So well put. My reply pure snark. I'm feeling particularly baggy and disparate ATM.

I think the explosion in the number of men identifying as transgender is closely linked to the development of the internet and an equivalent explosion in porn. The multitude of online groups dedicated to AGP creates a huge space in which men can interact, form echo chambers and build up a head of dysphoria

I have recently come across a young man - early twenties - who now identifies as a woman. Personally think he must be gay. He spends most of his time on a forum - on the boards which are dedicated to, for example, football and the 'recent pornography ban'. Populated entirely by men. Seems to have very little knowledge or even awareness of women's issues at all; and tells me that " I bet I know more prossies and porn stars than you do". He seems to have been suckered into a highly 'transgressive' and sexualised lifestyle.

Personally think he must be gay.

A lot of MTF trans people aren't.

Your reply made me lol though, Prawn. Thanks. We need laughs. And

Saying that the numbers are increasing due to media etc is interesting, for example between 2015-2017 the number of people identifying as gay/lesbian/bi increased .3%, that’s quite a big jump in terms of numbers in only 2 years.

Lots of people lived in the closet for years for fear of what people may think. Is it not logical that as society becomes more accepting, more people come ‘out’ rather than the numbers increasing?
I think katlin Jenner said that in the 80s they had to pay off someone who discovered them as a woman, and only a few years ago felt ‘safe’ to come out.

All different types of woman are GC including Christian Right wings, my issue was with aligning with organisations fighting against woman’s rights issues, for a subject being posed as for woman’s rights. Feminists have a different angle to heritage foundation and imo that was blindly obvious and to combine the two questioned what side of history this was on.

Interesting thoughts re if transwomans brains were ‘female’ would they have more empathy for woman. Female socialisation/Male privilege is something that will also, always come into the equation. Nature/nurture etc. Link to study on brains - www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

I think a lot of the issues of trans rights conflicting with woman’s rights is no one quite knows where the line is. How can one ensure that history of oppression minority classes does not repeat itself while simultaneously protecting those that are already oppressed when a lot of the time, the two do conflict and something needs to give.

A lot of MTF trans people aren't

Even the young ones? I know about the older AGP men.....
Are there now many young, heterosexual men identifying as women?

I think the person I mention is gay, though.

If we put together all the cash we’re getting from the right wing, ISIS & the Kremlin, you’d think we could afford to buy a decent-sized island or something.