Jezebel.com lumps GC feminists in with the alt-right

[CaptSkippy]

Yes, I know that I should not waste my time with a site like Jezebel. I saw this post a few days ago and skipped over it as total nonsense. Today I saw it trending on their front page:

jezebel.com/the-unholy-alliance-of-trans-exclusionary-radical-femin-1834120309

This must be deliberate right?

Basically, yeah a genetic reason for people having sex dysphoria might well be discovered (and wouldn't surprise me). But this 'magical gender essence that overrules sex? Nah. There cannot be a genetic reason for 'modern trans'..or 'transgenderism' really. Transsexualism, yeah possibly. But, saying you see a difference between transsexuals and the 'anyone is a woman!' types, is massively bigoted and makes you a terf apparently.

FFS, there may well have been a genetic disposition that led to the trauma induced episode wherein I believed I could fly in my early twenties. The reality of the genetic disposition in no way affects the fact that had I been allowed to jump out of the attic flat in which I lived, I would not have soared free above the surrounding houses, I would have plummeted to the ground at speed.

Proving that a reason for someone believing something materially unprovable or incorrect is based in a natural phenomena does not prove anything about the belief itself.

Well yes, there could well be some biological reason people get sex dysphoria. But, this has no bearing at all on if those people are actually the opposite sex. Which clearly they aren't. It is a bit of a strange argument really as regardless for the reasons, it doesn't change anything anyway, yes, there might be some genetic reason they have dysphoria..but, it would make no difference anyway. A mental illness is a mental illness. And some are more likely to get whatever illnesses for many reasons, but that doesn't mean that, say,. someone convinced they are Napolean, actually is Napolean.

Proving that a reason for someone believing something materially unprovable or incorrect is based in a natural phenomena does not prove anything about the belief itself.

Indeed. Hard to credit this even needs to be said.

Hard to credit this even needs to be said.

I honestly thought my days of explaining really basic things was over once my kids passed the under 10 stage. I can't quite understand why I'm still having to explain the difference between a fact and a genuinely held but wrong belief.

I quite enjoyed that article. I know it's supposed to be an 'anti T**F' piece but, for once, the feminist arguments were not misrepresented. There were some really good long quotes and some interesting bits of feminist history. The author didn't really have any counter arguments except 'this is bigoted' and 'they're talking to the right and saying some of the same things'.

“Come on. How wrong does something have to be for a Christian, pro-family organization and a radical feminist organization to oppose it together?” FPA’s Autumn Leva said in one of the videos.

I agree with Autumn Leva on this. I agree with Natasha Chart too:

[A]re we, out of the compassion in which we have been positively forced to drown as women, are we yet again going to defend the male supremacist, yes obscenity of male tranvestitism? How many of us will try to explain away—or permit into our organizations, even—men who deliberately reemphasize gender roles, and who parody female oppression and suffering as “Camp”?

I will not call a male “she;” thirty-two years of suffering in this androcentric society, and of surviving, have earned me the title “woman;” one walk down the street by a male tranvestite, five minutes of his being hassled (which he may enjoy), and then he dares, he dares to think he understands our pain? No, in our mothers’ names and in our own, we must not call him sister. We know what’s at work when whites wear blackface; the same thing is at work when men wear drag.

Robin Morgan, 1972

That's how long women have been dealing with this BS.

Andrea Dworkin is worth listening to on this stuff.

Part of having a feminist resistance to male power includes expanding the base of that resistance to other women, to women you have less in common with, to women you have nothing in common with. It means active, proselytizing dialogue with women of many different political viewpoints because their lives are worth what your life is worth.

That's why.

We have to go past the conventional political barriers, the lines that the men have drawn for us. "Our girls are over there; we'll call them Democrats, we'll call them socialists, we'll call them whatever we want to call them. Those girls are over there; that's their girls. The girls on our side aren't allowed to talk to the girls on their side." Well, if the girls on either side talked to the girls on the other side, they just might find out that they're being screwed the same way by the same kinds of men.

Gloria Steinem in 1977:

Feminists are right to feel uncomfortable about the need for and the uses of transexualism. Even while we protect the right of an informed individual to make that decision, and to be identified as he or she wishes, we have to make clear that this is not a long-term feminist goal. The point is to transform society so that a female can "go out for basketball" and a male doesn't have to be the strong one." Better to turn anger outward toward changing the world then inward toward mutilating our bodies into conformity.