Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

Especially a world where the majority of women appear to see no problem with this.

Have you asked a spread of women? I don’t mean women in your social circle, I mean your mum and her friends, your nan etc.
There is a difference between the majority of your friends and the majority of women.

peaches, well, I understand the impetus to want to find the unassailable winning argument to quite down the voices against you.

But seriously, would you be asking for all toilets to be redesigned for the sake of your son not having to go to the blokes because it's dirty and you're worried, if the entitled AWAs hadn't been clamouring to destroy single sex spaces?

You're fighting a rear guard action, and tbh, I've been there, but eventually you have a lightbulb moment of "Actually, women want single sex sex spaces, and they provide a measure of protection for them, here in the West and in the developing world. Why should we have to justify having them?"

All this demonstrates is that men can, and will, and do these shitty things.

peaches, I'm really struggling to understand what point you're trying to make. You are aware that some men are predators, yet you seem unable to understand that keeping men out of women's spaces will reduce the risk to women from these men. Can you explain your reasoning a bit more clearly for me?

I can get the unarguable evidence required to persuade other women

Unfortunately, I feel many young women are going to have to learn for themselves the hard way.

Please eliminate the extra sex from my last post!!! Single sex sex spaces are a very different thing!!!

peach

OtepotiLilliane42 at 8.39 is the official unarguable evidence.

The Times reporting that 90% of sex attacks in changing rooms are in the unisex ones is the MSM reporting on it.

Every aid agency advocates for single sex toilets.

Things that women do in the toilets include clearing up after menstruation, washing blood from clothes and hands, miscarriages, pregnancy tests, expressing milk, dealing with mastitis, etc.

Men piss and shit (and apparently, chat whilst they do so).

Women say no. It's their consent, their boundaries.

What other (online) women say is irrelevant. My consent is not in their gift.

Forgot link

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3Famp

But seriously, would you be asking for all toilets to be redesigned for the sake of your son not having to go to the blokes because it's dirty and you're worried, if the entitled AWAs hadn't been clamouring to destroy single sex spaces?

It never makes sense does it. They want the safety of the womens toilets but then think they should be unisex so they can bring their sons in.

Unless they plan on accompanying their sons in the mixed sex toilets until adult hood or driving their dds to school so they dont have to use mixed sex bus station toilets then at some point they have to admit the problem. Men. Amd men need to step up and fight against Male violence rather than use women as bait.

Because funnily enough when wine have been driven to stay closer to home or at home due to lack of suitable facilities the only people in those unisex toilets will he men. And theres no one left to fight/film/expose themselves to but each other

Yep places where saying maybe you don't want to share with guys is worse than saluting Hitler. Because that's the culture there

Sounds like you inhabit a very woke world and circle of friends? I'm imagining that maybe you are in your early thirties? Have been through university? I came across a a young woman of that sort of age, once, walking along the promenade with her friend. She had a very young baby. i was giving out WPUK leaflets and once she recognised this - she handed it straight back to me - saying that " being a woman is all in your mind". I said, " No, it isn't; it is in your body - you have a baby for goodness sake". She was a lost cause. Lost to her own oppression as a woman - although, inevitably, she will have to find out the hard way - and learn to articulate this all for her self.

If the feelings of trans people are a determinant of which toilets they should use, so too should the feelings of females determine the provision we're given. The trans movement is all about people's feelings being the ultimate arbiter of what is true and right. Ergo, my feelings are true and right and must equally be taken into account.

If the need for transwomen to be safe from males deternines their needs, so too should females have space free from males. That includes transwomen, as they are male.

If the UN states that single sex toilet provision is essential so that women and girls can access education and other rights, are we saying that men in the developing countries this refers to are more backward, violent and dangerous than Western men? Isn't this a bit racist?

Yes, but those statistics pertain to multiple people in the same changing rooms/toilets. I was asking for statistics which separated the risk from offenders between stalls in a room or single full enclosers opening onto public space. Because I initially thought that's what Eddie meant. But as someone pointed out- if he's wanting to chat, probably not what he had in mind after all.

If the need for transwomen to be safe from males deternines their needs, so too should females have space free from males. That includes transwomen, as they are male.

It always comes down to this. It's not about safety for transwomen, otherwise they would be advocating for single sex usage. Or, far more importantly, an end to male violence and male attitudes.

They don't. Ever.

Because it's about validation.

Validating a man's idea of himself is as old as the bloody hills.

peaches

The single six, single unit, occupancy idea only ever comes from women, an an answer and solution to mixed sex facilities.

You won't find trans people advocating for them. Because they are transphobic. They refuse to acknowledge, by their existence, that transwomen are women.

It isn't irrelevant when this is the only online place you're allowed to express any concern about unisex facilities.

To a lay person it gives them no confidence to speak up.

And if nobody but a handful of "extremists" speak up then what's going to stop it?

Why is he even weighing in on this? I though he identified as a man who likes make-up? I didn't think he identified as female. Wearing lipstick does not grant you access to women's toilets. If you feel threatened in the men's toilets for your choices then instead of feeling entitled to share women's toilets why not educate men and boys to not feel threatened by men who like make-up? Gender neutral toilets should not have to be suffered by women. This man is an absolute dickhead.

peaches

There is no law that prevents men from using females toilets. There is no law that prevents service providers from making their facilities unisex.

It's about changing the culture so that customs and protocols are maintained in favour of women's safety.

It's about promoting the fact that there are exemptions to uphold women's single sex facilities, in equality law. It's about challenging the equality policy of service providers like swimming pools, where they have got it wrong, because they have only heard the arguments of trans lobbyists.

It's about challenging local councils, the NSPCC, MPs, the D of E, every regulatory body you can think of.

No one, apart from a very vocal minority, wants mixed sex facilities.

"Women say no. It's their consent, their boundaries.

What other (online) women say is irrelevant. My consent is not in their gift."

some women are saying no. Most females in politics and visible online, as you know, are saying "yes", and as such, feel free to not consent, but all that will mean in self excluding.

Most females in politics and visible online, as you know, are saying "yes", and as such, feel free to not consent, but all that will mean in self excluding.

Of course they're not. Most women aren't saying anything because most of them don't know about it, and the ones who do are petrified.

Look at Maya Forstater, being fired for saying humans can't change sex!

"No one, apart from a very vocal minority, wants mixed sex facilities."

The silent majority are quieter than ever from where I'm standing. If you spend all your time on mumsnet and GCreddit it's easy to believe that everyone is speaking up. But that's a self selecting group who are onto this. The vast majority are not.

It isn't irrelevant when this is the only online place you're allowed to express any concern about unisex facilities.

This is all you need to know. In places where you are allowed to express an opinion, the opinion is to maintain single sex facilities.

I mean it's absolute nonsense to think that women would advocate for mixed sex facilities.

If that was the case, they would be using the gents. They would have done it by now.

The vast majority are not.

All the polls that are done show that the vast majority of people want to maintain single sex facilities.

You are very uninformed about all of this.

It isn't irrelevant when this is the only online place you're allowed to express any concern about unisex facilities.

Doesn't that concern you at all? That asking questions isn't allowed?

How many places have these single fully enclosed toilets opening onto a public space? Very few and if they are down a corridor out of general sight then there are still issues with safety. To convert en masse all toilets in public buildings, offices, etc. would be very costly and in some buildings impossible, what then? The TRAs and their groupies just expect and want in those cases that the female toilets become unisex, not the male toilets of course, and the statistics listed show exactly how unsafe that makes female toilets/changing rooms when that happens.

You say outside of this forum no-one cares and is in fact happy to share toilets with members of the opposite sex, not the case when the NUS and UK Border Force were each having a conference at a particular hotel. The super woke NUS decided unilaterally that the toilets would be 'gender neutral' and stuck notices on the doors of the female toilets to that effect, the Border Force delegates were furious and not prepared to kow tow to the NUS and their invented rules, unsurprisingly it all kicked off.

There is evidence that girls and boys are restricting the amount of fluid they consume during the day at schools where these new style toilets have been introduced - the reason: they don't like these toilets and don't want to use them. There has been a marked increase of girls suffering from UTI's due to this. Parents are starting to challenge schools on this policy.

Yeah of course. But any deterrent to asking questions whether that's moderation bias or mob rule means that nobody is seen asking questions or rather are put off if they see what happens when someone does.

So why are TRAs still winning on this?

While politicians and forum owners believe facilities should be mixed, women who don't consent to this are gonna be steamrolled