Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

Yep fuck off Eddie, it's not about you.

My point is, according to the evidence you've provided here - it's not going to reduce risk.

Don't be silly.

"In mixed-sex facilities, whether that is via so called gender neutral facilities or via allowing self-identifying males into female-only facilities, there will be no risk inherent in a pervert's mere presence in the facility. They will have every right to be there and we can't protest against it."

A cynic may read this and conclude that you just hate males, trans or otherwise.

At least you admit transwomen are male.

Unless you are referring to transmen, in which case nobody here has expressed opposition to them using women’s facilities.

I asked my partner this afternoon what was easier for men to pee in, he said urinals of course. I then went on to explain that toilets were becoming more and more unisex, to which he replied it was all around the world.. I then explained why women don't want to share toilets with men. Men pee and shit, nothing else. Women have periods, we need to change tampons or pads, sometimes a miscarriage starts and we need to know we can go the nearest female toilets for assistance. He wasn't really interested, I don't think most men are, the whole transgender issue goes over their heads because they are not materially affected. I agree with some posters that a lot of men wouldn't want to share toilets with women either but will they join the resistance to the whole stupid idea?
I fear not. Taking away urinals is illogical. It is very hard not to lose one's temper when talking about this to men, they just don't see how important it is to women.
And as other posters have said, what about girls using the toilets?
Fine if they are floor to ceiling with a wash basin and dryer, sanitary bin. Quite safe for women and girls, hopefully clean.
I used to like Eddy Izzard, he was so funny but not now.
I am sick to death of men telling women what we should accept. As many posters have said, Fuck off Eddy.

Since someone is still being lazy

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp

" if people like you hadn't advocated for abolishing the right of females to safety and privacy in single-sex facilities."

People like me?

Christ on a bike. l'm banned from virtually ever other corner of the Internet for being too much of a terf, I'm genuinely trying to discuss this and all I'm getting here is ridicule and jeering for not towing the terf line enough.

What I'm told elsewhere is that the risk can be mitigated by improving facilities that would eliminate that risk. I'm trying to discuss that. But both sides are a brick wall.

Yes Jessica I get that, I'm familiar with that. But it's not actually relevant to what I am actually saying or the evidence I was looking for at the beginning of this discussion. If you cared to actually read my posts properly.

My partner sits down to pee. And despises the toilet conditions he has to use at work and out, nobody would be more delighted than him to see urinals banned.

And I've worked in pubs and cafes, it's simply not true that male toilets are always worse.

DH wants a new category of toilets for men who are not disgusting. He hates the gents. He says he never uses a cubicle unless absolutely desperate, they are smeared in poo, often in the toilet paper holder too and the wee is everywhere. Vile. Women have no choice but to use a cubicle.

If toilets were fully enclosed cubicles, you'd start going to the loo as a pack. No way I'm letting my children (or myself) go alone into a space with men where they could be shoved into a cubicle and nobody would have any idea what was going on in there. Not just sexual predators but it's a bullies and drug dealers dream.

There are reasons cubicles have gaps. It reduces drug use in them. It reduces sexual activity in them. It reduces people having a nap in them. It means someone who passes out will be noticed.

And I've worked in pubs and cafes, it's simply not true that male toilets are always worse.

Not always, but very, very often.

"At least you admit transwomen are male."

This is hilarious ^

If you cared to actually read my posts properly.

Oh I read them. You’re looking for some data on differences in design of toilets, which doesn’t exist largely because it’s irrelevant. The reasons for the risk unisex toilets pose should be pretty clear and have been discussed at length. Men shouldn’t be anywhere near a bathroom area that women use as that increases risk, of cameras, and of women and girls being pushed in and attacked. We have many layers of protection for women and girls when it comes to bathrooms & changing rooms. Because they’re usually separated by sex, the first layer of protection comes from it not being acceptable for males to be anywhere near them, that means if noticed it alerts others and it also means the perpetrator knows this. If that layer is taken away because everything is unisex, we lose a layer of protection.

But this is all redundant because the thread is about Eddie Izzard wanting to chat to people and have everyone lower their inhibitions around going to the toilet in private. That’s what he said. So I’m quite frustrated at having to debate what someone imagines he ‘must of meant’.

I don’t want to share any type of toilet with men. I don’t want to have to supply evidence or a long justification for this. I want to say NO, and have my boundaries respected, particularly on a feminist board.

"If toilets were fully enclosed cubicles, you'd start going to the loo as a pack. No way I'm letting my children (or myself) go alone into a space with men where they could be shoved into a cubicle and nobody would have any idea what was going on in there. Not just sexual predators but it's a bullies and drug dealers dream."

Disabled and parent child toilets exist like this already - I've never seen anyone go in as a pack or with anyone other than a carer. I don't believe that's likely.

The whole point is that you wouldn't be going into a space alone with men, nobody would go into one if someone is already there. It's not a big enough room to hide in.

Apologies as I have not read the full thread but I just wanted to say that over the weekend I was at the O2 for a concert and, as usual the queues for the women's toilets were ridiculous so we went in the virtually empty mens. The men in them had an absolute hissy fit and really were upset and called for staff to remove us. My point is that the average person does not want this, regardless of what sex they are.

"Because they’re usually separated by sex, the first layer of protection comes from it not being acceptable for males to be anywhere near them" but as the links provided here demonstrated, there's just as much risk from single sex toilets that are cleaned by men.

Do you go to customer services and check that the cleaners are women only or do you just go for a pee?

Whataboutery

My answer is still NO.

Do you go to customer services and check that the cleaners are women only or do you just go for a pee?

Usually, when there's a male cleaner in the ladies' there is a sign up saying so. Then women have the choice of just going for a pee or waiting or finding another loo.

lookatallthepeaches

Just a heads up - the word terf is banned here, as it's a gender based slur.

Sorry, sex based.

This is a really pertinent and well written conference paper by a C. Greed on the need for separate toilet provision for women and girls.

GREED140th WEDC International Conference, Loughborough, UK, 2017LOCAL ACTION WITH INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION TO IMPROVE AND SUSTAIN WATER, SANITATION AND HYGIENE SERVICES
Taking women’s ‘different’ bodily functions into account, particularlymenstruationin sanitation provisionC. Greed (UK)PAPER2601

Extract: Penultimate Paragraph

The way forward: learning points

As a basic principle, it is essential that gender considerations are taken into account at the highest decision-making level within sanitation and drainage authorities. The differences between women and men need to be acknowledged and accommodated for, in terms of toilet design, levels of provision and attention to the specific bodily functions of women. But gender must not be treated as an abstract disembodied concept, it must be related to the realities of the physiological differences between men and women,not least in terms of how they urinate, but also in relation to the specific needs created by menstruation, pregnancy, breast feeding, incontinence,inter alia. Many of these issues have still notbeen adequately taken on board in the West, and if you want to know the true position of women in society, look at the length of the queue for the ‘Ladies’.

I am seriously considering writing a letter to Mr Izzard via his UK agent to challenge him on his comments about toilet provisions, and will cite this paper, along with the many other articles and guidelines which are readily available on the internet for him to read, should he wish to educate himself on the subject.

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2027/9dab18cfa8cb55aac6f0a72c25c54986b0f0.pdf

Every time I've been in a public toilet that is being cleaned by men, there is a sign up warning women entering that this is the case.

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OtepotiLilliane42 thanks for that link- it would be amazing if you send it to Eddie!

My partner sits down to pee.

@Peaches: Is your husband a German? Many German boys are trained by their mums to sit to pee because they are tired of cleaning their pee splatter. They are called Sitzpinkler and it's a good thing. However, they are often mocked by their peers; it's seen as a sissy thing to do and has not really gained momentum. I think many return to standing.
It just doesn't work in wider society. And the splatter remains. Urinals help to reduce this; at least if there is splatter it is confined to that area.
Why would your husband want more splatter in the cubicles?

Anyway: my answer is and always has been NO. Stay out. I don't need to give a reason (though I have many).

Every bloody time these threads crop up those who like sharing toilets with men decide that the rest of us must live according to their preferences. We historically (and currently) segregate the sexes for intimate procedures. Those women who want to share toilets, showers and changing rooms with men - crack on. Head off to the men's facilities or the mixed sex facilities. Just stop insisting that the rest of us must follow your wishes.

And please lookatallthepeaches will you explain where those women who cannot undress / share toilets with men for faith / abuse reasons are now to go? Because none of you ever explain why these women should remove themselves from the public space? Or is that actually your motivation - alongside removing women's rights to choose sex segregated spaces?