Is a Transman a mother or father?

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What do people make of this in today's Times? To me this person did not 'Father' their child - they gave birth to their baby from their ova and so are the mother.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mother-of-all-legal-rows-for-trans-man-and-his-baby-5rzpw9mr7

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A question about registering births.I thought that men could register births on their own if they were married to the mother.So this transman must have gone to the registrar as a mother to register the birth.?

Excellent point Hotter
So if this person gets their way then it would mean that men who are unmarried can register a baby without the mothers say-so, knowledge or presence.

Yes that will work out really well for women and children.

Again. We just need to keep asking questions- why do we have the laws that we have? What are going to be the real world effects of changing them?

Children are curious about how everyone in the family links up

I know, my nieces are fascinated by the family ties and how their cousins are not my cousins or great cousins and how it all works, and we often draw out family trees for them. They are kids, of course they want to know where they came from and the family stories of where we lived and who we are related to. They love it.

The thought of another 'doctor' who doesn't get the difference between male and female...shocking. Did nobody teach them the differences between males and females? I'd want a refund on that degree if so.

Should have said above ‘..would it’ mean, not ‘...it would’ mean. I don’t know what it will mean because the case isn’t decided yet.

Limp described the posters here as middle class "folks" 🛎🛎🛎
I couldn't find a klaxon, so bells had to do.

If a child does not 'have a mother' but has two fathers who are not married, who legally can register the birth????

A birth certificate records the circumstances of a birth, so the mother will always be on the birth certificate, even if a surrogate.

If she is married, her husband will be the defacto father. Even if these people have no genetic link to the child, in the absence of a court order they are the parents.

In the case of surrogate pregnancies, there is a mechanism for producing a new document later that includes the legal/genetic parents, but the original birth certificate will still exist as a record of birth.

The same kind of doctor as a certain Rachel McKinnon.

Has it ever occurred to you that the person in question desperately hoped for a child has one because they biologically could but feels like a man and would prefer to be known as a 'father' because they think theyre a man.

I think the person has a very narrow view of what it means to be a father or mother and can't conceive that leaving all the biological stuff aside, your sex isn't relevant to your ability to parent. They attribute all sorts of things to the word 'mother' that simply aren't relevant. Basically they believe in a bunch of sexist stereotypes.

Having said that, all sorts of people believe all sorts of things, and I am happy to support their freedom to believe them. I just draw the line when their right to a belief conflicts with reality. The word 'mother' on a birth certificate indicates the person who gave birth. That is all.

(If you want to pass as a doctor online, maybe stop referring to your GSCE or A level results

Tut tut, Datun. If the limp bicky identifies as a doctor, who are you to doubt them? You're being a certification-fetishist!

It never stopped me.

Oooo oo oooo Limp

"@justhadathought I'm a doctor. Thankyou for your opinion on my qualifications"

A doctor. Wow. I have no opinion. Just a question, if I may....

Doctor of which discipline?

Cheers Absolutepowercorrupts for the clarion call of the bells. TBF the klaxon was paying havoc with my tinnitus so cheers!

@justhadathought I'm a doctor. Thankyou for your opinion on my qualifications

Saying you are a doctor, or that you have a degree impresses nobody here. What impresses people is rational, considered argument.
Dr Adrian Harrop purports to be a doctor - and look at him......?

Dr shipman
Dr crippen

My husband is currently in the process of getting an additional passport from the country of hus parents birth.

If his mother had decided she was his father and left a blank on his birth certificate, I can’t even begin to imagine the ways that would fuck up his application. They have gone back through her life with a fine tooth comb to prove he has the right to this passport.

Why would you condemn your child to a life of making every interaction with officialdom fraught with difficulty? It’s TT’s child’s documentation, not TT’s. It’s function is to enable TT junior to lay claim to their rights, and be recognised as a having been born in a particular time and place with a particular set of circumstances. It’s not there to cater to TT’s sense of self.

Utter nonsense.

Am bewildered by anyone thinking otherwise, to be honest.

“Dr” Gillian McKeith.

Ben Goldacres’s dead cat.

Ooh look fekko's a doctor too ^^ I'm a Dr come to that. Lots of bright people round here, should think there's a fair smattering of PhDs and MDs. Do we get a gold star or something?

Dr and the Medics. I’m not 100% sure he was a doctor though...

Limp does that mean one could have a baby, register the father as David Beckham and then go after him for child maintenance because he's the legal father? Asking for a friend...

Yeah the person trying to do,this is in a very privileged position and how can they afford to do this

Just try doing this when your family is mixed culturally. Every single bit of life is examined

So selfish and harmful to,their child.

All about themselves. So lucky this person born in Uk. And yet just pissing on how important a birth certificate is to so many people

Puir wankery and actually a shite way to,behave

Yeah the person trying to do,this is in a very privileged position and how can they afford to do this

I would expect they are being funded by one of the trans lobbyist groups - the ones that are trying getting legal precedents through.

TRAs seem to be very well funded for legal stuff. Jess Bradley and Helen Islan both had Mishcon de Reya, didn't they?

So did this person get pregnant on purpose just after legally declaring they were male.

Just to bring this case to court. That is chilling if that is what they have done

I don’t get this so you have a lovely new baby and all you can think about is bringing a court case

I mean as a new mum just getting through the day was like a bonus.

So this person is just doing this stuff to their baby. I am not your mum. You don’t have a mum. My feelings are much more important than yours will ever be

I am not your mum. You don’t have a mum. My feelings are much more important than yours will ever be.

Summed it up perfectly, littlbrowndog. It's really so sad.

It might be interesting/relevant to know who, if anyone, paid for the IVF.

Yeah it’s like my new darling baby I will put myself before you because really you are not so important as my baby but useful for my court case

So so sad

It might be interesting/relevant to know who, if anyone, paid for the IVF.

And the legal representation in the court case. That may be no win no fee I guess.