Is a Transman a mother or father?

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What do people make of this in today's Times? To me this person did not 'Father' their child - they gave birth to their baby from their ova and so are the mother.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mother-of-all-legal-rows-for-trans-man-and-his-baby-5rzpw9mr7

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Of course this parent is the mother. A person who gives birth to a baby is a mother. They remain a mother for the rest of their life, even if the child dies or is adopted away.

Only females can be mothers. Guess what, transmen are female.

Just more mind-fuckery by distorting language and attempting to rob it of meaning.

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The comments are mainly calling out the self centred nature of this and the lack of care for the child's needs.

I love the way Lucy Bannerman wrote that article.

Perfect

The fact this kind of cognitive dissonance is printed in the newspapers is so worrying.

Sorry, didn't mean the article - I was thinking of headlines like "Man gives birth."

I wonder if there should be recording of both genetic parents and legal parents. So children conceived using a donor would have a record of their biological origins, but in a case like this the transperson could be recorded as genetic mother as well as legal father. I agree if you're going to let someone be legally the opposite sex it doesn't seem consistent to make them legally a mother. But equally I think the child has some right to accurate record keeping of who their biological mother is.

"abandoned gender status", fuck right off. Being a mother is a biological status and one that TT has clearly embraced rather than abandoned.
If TT wants to act as a father figure, fine. Perform your parenting as a man instead of a woman (although that appears to be loaded with a shitload of stereotypes). But TT will not BE the father any more than they can stop being the mother.

If this person is willing to lie to their child about their relationship I have zero sympathy. A parental bond is one of the most important there is; it may define all their subsequent relationships.

She likes to call herself a father. But actually she's got no sperm, so she's a mother. You can't fool me!

Mother, it’s biological fact.

What an attention seeking halfwit. The poor kid is almost certain to be screwed up however it’s parent refers to itself.

At a hearing in February, the judge questioned how fertility regulations allowed TT to receive artificial insemination, which can technically be received only by women, after he had been legally recognised as a man.

Agree with PP, mother; and a trans woman who has had children isn't a mother, they are the father.

Trans man is female
Trans woman is male

No one can change biological sex. Any number of genetic diseases will not recognise gender change. Internal scarring from surgeries, combined with hormonal treatment, is another matter.

How does one parent as a father anyway?

Beyond gestation, birth and breastfeeding, which are reserved for biological females, my children's father and I parent in exactly the same ways.

They provided the ovum, they are the mother. Not a father.

This ridiculous semantic gymnastics has to stop. The rot set in with the GRA of course and the existence of GRCs. If the original legal fiction hadn't been created, this wouldn't be an issue.

Poor child. Also, I wonder what 'gender it has been assigned' on the certificate or has the parent thrown a wobbly about that as well? I mean how can they actually know until the child turns three or so and can start choosing sparkly clothes or not?

Un Convention on the Rights of the Child is clear: A child's parents are the biological mother and father. Anyone else is a 'carer'.

Good heavens, someone calling themselves George Monbiot has commented, gender-critically. Can't be The Real George Monbiot! I'm surprised The Times let that one through.

What a thundering narcissist. TT can’t have identified that strongly as a man if they went and did the most female thing you can do.

Frankly, I’d be removing the child and placing it with some non-fucked up adults capable of thinking of someone other than themselves.

What a thundering narcissist. TT can’t have identified that strongly as a man if they went and did the most female thing you can do

This^ Not a thought for their poor child.

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I agree with you. I think it is vital that children know who their biological parents are (if possible) but a legal category could be made for those adults who raise a child (as already happens with adoptive parents). But I do worry if the female who gives birth to a child can be called a 'father' in either the biological or legal sense because I don't believe women can become men - maybe a new term such as 'transfather' would be a better description.

She can call HERSELF whatever she likes, but I shall call her a woman and a mother

They accessed IVF days after their certificate? This is a political move.

Anyone who thinks this isn't about the deliberate and systematic erosion of women's rights and biological category, should be convinced by this move alone.

I really think the clinic should be investigated. They started the process 10 days after getting a GRC? They are weaponising their child. It's sick

They accessed IVF days after their certificate? This is a political move.
Yes exactly - this is why I have zero sympathy. However the fact that the government is contesting is a good sign. They must understand the ramifications.