Cross dress males to be allowed in women only gym sessions in Glasgow

[MrsSnippyPants]

Mentioned before, I know, but quite a punchy headline today
www.heraldscotland.com/news/17588777.cross-dress-males-to-be-allowed-in-women-only-gym-sessions-in-glasgow/?ref=twtrec

It's such a white thing. There are way more white perverts than any other race.

Just No.

The main demand for the most extreme porn sites is from Pakistan and the Gulf.

In Africa, the demand for very young virgins to 'cure' old men of various ailments is endemic in many countries.

And if school uniform is your thing, you need to go to Japan.

I started a thread 3 weeks ago about how I was challenging my LA-run leisure centres (in England) on similar policies. My detailed questioning and requests for risk assessments, etc have been referred on. A request for a response after two weeks elicited an 'I'm waiting to hear from the specific depts' reply.

This is what everyone must do - bombard the management of gyms, etc with demands to see the risk assessments, etc. I also asked them questions about keeping women and girls safe.

The latest government guidelines have been distributed to all local councils in England, so expect to see similar at all local authority facilities.

Not for the first time after reading a thread on here, I've looked up what a hate crime is. Today I looked up the CAB guidelines. I can't see how complaining about this could possibly described as a hate crime unless someone is wilfully misinterpreting to threaten and silence women.

Can anyone explain where I'm wrong in thinking this please?

The latest government guidelines have been distributed to all local councils in England, so expect to see similar at all local authority facilities.

Arguably they have misinterpreted the law. The EHRC recently clarified that the protected sex characteristic of a male to female trans person without a GRC is male, not female. So cross dressing males who do not even consistently present as "women" do not need to be included in single sex facilities. Even GRC holders can potentially be excluded, case law is lacking.

Get a fucking grip Glasgow!

Is there no petition up and running yet?

How can they say some men just like dressing in stereotypical women's clothes, a cross dresser, but doesn't identify as a woman. So they can still go in? It doesn't make sense.
They are admitting that a man in a dress can change in the woman's changing room.
Just because.

Your gonna get deleted!

Can’t we ask Grayson Perry to do a protest? As a husband a father of a girl I hope he would be up to pointing out the stupidity of this.

They are not thinking about the needs of diverse groups at all. I used to write blogs at work listing where our international students (mostly Muslim women from the ME and North Africa) could find women only exercise sessions. Going to have to take them down now.

It would be unethical for a male journo to test the enforcement of this policy wouldn’t it? Go into the female changing room and see whether anyone challenges them. Claim self-ID-ing or claim wearing female underwear if challenged (oh that’s alright then!) Surely the average 19 year old Glasgow Life employee would challenge a male presenting man entering the changing room wouldn’t they? I wonder what training they’ve been given to implement this policy. What constitutes ‘cross-dressing’? A blouse? Skirt? Lipstick? Totally not on. My DS is down the gym all the time - my DD won’t be able to go at this rate. People will abuse this. They absolutely will.

Interesting that they are very clearly anticipating complaints. So they know that this isn't going to be popular. But they're doing it anyway.

They know it's not popular, they know it's not illegal to have women only sessions,they know the benefits of women only sessions, they know that some women will stop attending these sessions that are in place for their benefit.

Yet they are going ahead and spending time and money training staff to deal with the upset they are causing.

Are male transpeople still claiming to be the most marginalized group?

Can’t women just man-bomb male only sessions?

From Police Scotland:

The definition of a hate crime is:

'Any hate incident, which constitutes a criminal offence, perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate'.

A hate crime is based upon any of the following:

◾Race
◾Sexual orientation
◾Faith
◾Disability
◾Transgender identity

There has to be a criminal offence committed for there to be a hate crime. Hate incidents are a bit looser I think.

Non criminal "hate incidents" should not be the business of the police.

So hate crime can’t be because you are a woman or man?

So using the Hate Crime Reporting Incident protocol for complaining about male bodied people in women only sessions (and putting in guidelines for staff) is pure intimidation.**

So hate crime can’t be because you are a woman or man?

No, they've conveniently left "sex" out.

Non criminal "hate incidents" should not be the business of the police.

Concur.

Surely saying "we don't want to stop male bodied persons attending women only sessions in Glasgow gyms" is one thing but using the word "crime" is entirely different?

As you say, it's intimidation. Like the awful schools pack the CPS produced in conjunction with Gendered Intelligence and Stonewall.

Oh, so if a young girl or a woman is sexually harassed or assaulted by a man in the change room or one of these swim sessions there recourse is...to receive education on how they have wrong-think? And be educated on how that man who assaulted them is entitled to be there as they are wearing frilly underwear that day? And possibly be themselves accused of a hate crime?

Good work Glasgow! /s

Yeah, I can't remember the details of why, but there is no legislation that makes crimes based on sex hate crimes. I read the reason somewhere, possibly one of the supporting documents for the consultation on gender recognition in Scotland.

Is there scope for a flash mob of men who want to swim in the women's session and women waving laminated copies of the Equalities Act?

This is what everyone must do - bombard the management of gyms, etc with demands to see the risk assessments, etc. I also asked them questions about keeping women and girls safe.

For anything run by a local authority, they should have done an equality impact assessment. You can ask for it under Freedom of Information on here: www.whatdotheyknow.com, or you can contact them directly.

If they have wilfully used an incorrect version of the Equalities Act as the basis for this move, isn't that the first thing to strongly and repeatedly flag up?