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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cross dress males to be allowed in women only gym sessions in Glasgow

273 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 22/04/2019 08:56

Mentioned before, I know, but quite a punchy headline today
www.heraldscotland.com/news/17588777.cross-dress-males-to-be-allowed-in-women-only-gym-sessions-in-glasgow/?ref=twtrec

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R0wantrees · 22/04/2019 09:50

I'd be willing to bet that either a trans person or a trans organisation had a hand in writing it.

Doesn't James Morton write most of the trans-inclusive policies in Scotland?

www.scottishtrans.org/about-us/who-we-are/

TheSerenDipitY · 22/04/2019 09:53

we need to start asking for FEMALE changing rooms, not womens changing rooms, we need to start demanding FEMALE only gym/pool/whatever sessions not womens FEMALE which MEN/MALES are not and can NEVER be

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 09:56

But I don’t understand this. So there a reason for having women only sessions

But now there is no reason to have women only sessions

Trying to work out in my head

And do the guys have to wear skirts or dresses to get in to session

RJnomore1 · 22/04/2019 09:56

Fuck sake Glasgow.

Isn’t this legally out of order - sex being a protected characteristic?

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 09:57

Or do they just say they are women

How will this actually work

Can any guy now come to women only sessions

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R0wantrees · 22/04/2019 09:59

And do the guys have to wear skirts or dresses to get in to session

Think they just have to say 'I want to go in there because I identify with being a woman'

Maybe its the leaving of the changing rooms, on one side people enter the pool wearing trunks, on the other side people enter the pool wearing swimming costumes & bikinis?

Datun · 22/04/2019 09:59

we need to start asking for FEMALE changing rooms,

It's not about the word, it's about the concept. See Paris Lee's Twitter bio calling themself an adult human female.

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 10:01

But but how can you actually tell if some one is cross dressing

It’s biazzare.

I don’t understand this and 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Ereshkigal · 22/04/2019 10:02

They think they declare themselves female, it's exactly the same as calling themselves women. Up to them to self define. And a lot of fools go along with that. Which is why we shouldn't even concede "woman" in any way shape or form to male people.

Popchyk · 22/04/2019 10:03

"And do the guys have to wear skirts or dresses to get in to session"

No.

They can claim to be non-binary or claim to reject gender entirely.

Gender is simultaneously innate and doesn't actually exist under genderism ideology, remember.

R0wantrees · 22/04/2019 10:04

But but how can you actually tell if some one is cross dressing

Many male cross dressers prioritise underwear.

The receptionists will have to let any male use the female changing facilities/single sex sessions.
There is no way of refusing.

Datun · 22/04/2019 10:05

littlbrowndog

It’s biazzare

I don’t understand this and 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

It's ridiculous. No more ridiculous than any other policy that pretends men can change sex. But, at this time, they're practically acknowledging how stupid it is and still doing to it.

Datun · 22/04/2019 10:06

Gender is simultaneously innate and doesn't actually exist under genderism ideology, remember.

Quite.

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 10:07

So there is no women only sessions anymore.

But there must have been a reason for having women only sessions

So like a pack of guys could just come along because they now can

Isn’t that the logical way that Glasgow have ruled that this can now happen

So no more women only anything

JessicaWakefieldSV · 22/04/2019 10:09

This is disgusting sexual harassment of women. Someone needs to test this crap legally. What the actual fuck is happening?!

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 10:09

I just datun I just am like are they all so stupid

It’s like women don’t exist anymore

SarahTancredi · 22/04/2019 10:19

So women are now forced to participate an re educated into allowing men to get off wearing dresses and changing with the women.

Wtf is wrong with you Scotland

cordeliaflynne · 22/04/2019 10:24

So let me get this right, there are now sessions where you have to wear trunks and there are sessions where you have to wear a swimming costume or bikini. Or classes for shorts and classes for cropped leggings. That's it.

KennDodd · 22/04/2019 10:24

No point women challenging this, they won't be listened to. You need a large group of sympathetic men to do it, a stag group maybe (?) all identifying as female for the day. After all, what could the management do if they all showed up and said they were women, there is no objective measure who is Male or female and who is 'really' trans and who is not.

Needmoresleep · 22/04/2019 10:29

Its not just that women dont seem to exist anymore but policies to encourage women to take part in sport and to encourage more conservative communities to integrate seem to get thrown out of the window as soon as a man in a frock rocks up.

My understanding was that women only swim sessions were often origionally set up for Asian women but that other middle aged women with wobbly bits also access them. And that sport and exercise are generally encouraged for both groups.

Knowing that you might have to share a changing room with a man, and not be able to do anything about it, will deter both groups. In this policy conflict the needs of cross dressing men seem to clearly outweigh the desire to encourage physical activity, and to some extent social integration, amongst women.

I was involved in running a swim club. We got all manner of stick from our inability to attract many Asian and black kids. (Plenty of East Asian, Hispanic, Lebanese and East Euopeans so we had some reach.) We tried but faced a whole load of cultural barriers. Basically if parents don't swim it is unlikely that children will learn.

Yet the same local authorities, pool providers and sports organisations who used to require diversity monitoring and question the results, are the same people that, without any obvious hesitation, are destroying good work achieved so far.

Particularly sad in Glasgow which has a large, long established and well integrated Asian community.

Tunnockswafer · 22/04/2019 10:33

Most council leisure centre gyms don’t have cubicles do they? I’ve seen a (what I assume to be from clothing) transwoman in my gym but at the end they went straight home and didn’t go to the changing room (just like me to be honest) which seemed a sensible way to approach things.

Tunnockswafer · 22/04/2019 10:35

Needmoresleep I think lane swimming sessions open to all can be an issue for women, as they (well, I) don’t want to swim in a lane with a much faster man. I don’t think the wobbly bits comment is fair, women want to be undressed away from men for all sorts of reason not just because they are fat Hmm

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2019 10:38

This is understandable and it requires sensitive explanation of transgender, the law – the Equality Act (2010), and of our policy of trying to facilitate equal access within our venues.

The law that protects GRC holders, but not self identification?
The law that protects single sex provision, but not gender?

That law?

Thats going to be incorrectly explained?

Well I guess it's a sure fire way to get a court case fast tracked on the subject.

littlbrowndog · 22/04/2019 10:41

But it’s not just cross dressing guys it is in fact anyone from that article.

So you fancy a women’s only session and you are a guy no problem

Just rock up and say you are a woman or gender neutral . The staff can’t say a word

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