Ama - transwoman

[Indigo9]

I've heard about Mumsnet for years in regards to views on transgender women. But until today I had never visited the site. I've spent hours reading posts related to transwomen and the gender ID bill. I do think there is a little bit of a disconnect with regards to who and what we are. So I've decided to setup this profile with a mind to answering questions you may have about being transgender. I'm not in to hate or insults, so you won't see me participate in any mud slinging, name calling or anything else. I will, however, answer any legitimate questions from my own perspective. I do not speak for the whole trans community and would not try to, but will happily share what I know.

Read the thread @BernardBlacksWineIcelolly

I have both read and contributed to the thread Veronica. I disagree with you about bullying.

can you provide a quote with some commentary to explain what you mean?

(this is a how 'discussion' works)

Hi OP, thanks for taking the time to post.

I’m fascinated and yet massively confused by this to the point where I’ve had to reopen my mumsnet account (I’ve been lurking but not posting for months)

I’m sure I’m just repeating everyone else’s thoughts here but fuck it here goes......

thinking like a woman as someone with xx chromosomes, I’m a woman. However, I have no female friends (someone out there feel sorry for me ) as I was the only woman at college, university and again at work. I’m an engineer and by today’s “logic” and I use the term loosely, have a male brain because I excelled at maths and science. I drive vans and 4x4s and can even park them . I’ll be honest and admit, I even watch Jeremy Clarkson, understand what he’s talking about and laugh!
I wear comfy shoes and clothes, but I also have plenty of pretty dresses and Louboutins for when I can be arsed. I look very feminine, but for work and sometimes just because I look badass, I wear mens clothing.
I’m kind and nurturing but I’m also a complete prick to a lot of people. I can be aggressive at times, needs must in an all male environment because there are a lot of piss takers and I have been assaulted by men at work.

My thoughts this morning were “Krispy Kremes are not breakfast, but they should be”
“Bollocks, the dryers died. Ah well it had a good innings”
“Better ring DH and tell him about the dryer”
“Christ how does someone so beautiful produce such disgusting nappies”

So by your reasoning am I male or female? I just asked DM and she said, I’m just an arsehole 😂 I love my mum!

However my brain works, both myself and my daughters are vulnerable when men take over our safe spaces, it really is that simple.

I am readying my bingo card.

We will surely see the "this is why so many people have hidden the feminism board" soon.

(let's not bring up the whole stats of who visits MN via which board, it'd be embarrassing to watch)

Read the thread if you want to see it - those message that have not been deleted that is

I'm not getting into this bullshit faux innocent crap. You know exactly what I'm referring to.

Lang it's a tissue holder made of grey rock.

It's as much a MN essential as the MN scarf, I think

Re: comfies

In the ImFine household this is to mean 'Pyjama bottoms'.

'Comfy pants time!' is a phrase coined by DP and he announces it more often than I do.

I shall tell him the news that means he might actually be a 'woman'.

Doesn't work that way, Veronica. Report, or quote a post.

I'm not getting into this bullshit faux innocent crap. You know exactly what I'm referring to.

Oh dear lord. You've written three posts, actually taking the time to write three posts claiming something, instead of just quoting. It will take you two seconds.

The reason you won't it's because everyone will very simply be able to refute this assertion of bullying. You know it, we know it.

Read the thread if you want to see it.

Read the thread if you want to see it.

Four times.

And you clearly haven't read the thread! Otherwise you would realise that everyone you're talking to has posted on it. For goodness sake.

You know exactly what I'm referring to

clearly I don't Veronica, which is why I'm asking

calling people nasty and accusing them of bullying without any justification is quite unpleasant behaviour. Can I suggest that if you cannot back up your accusation,s you don't make them in the first place?

I've read the whole thread and I don't know which posts you're referring to. Maybe you should give threads a pass if the general themes are going to make you angry?

So if the 'nasty and bullying comments' are still here, Veronica, why don't you actually address them rather than expect us to know which ones you are alluding to?

It’s a great way to derail though, as we all stop asking awkward questions to defend ourselves against baseless charges of bullying

If you come to a feminist board for a discussion, and post something that you know will provoke that discussion in which voices that share your viewpoint are likely to be thin on the ground...it’s a bit odd to then frame that as “bullying”. No, it’s a bunch of people who disagree with you, congregating in a space that you know has a viewpoint you don’t share.

I'm not in the least angry. I actually find this all rather pathetic.

You all have the same access to the thread as I do. Apart from the messages which have been deleted, which I suppose you'll tell me contained samples of the milk of human kindness as well. Nonsense!

I'm not in the least angry. I actually find this all rather pathetic.

Makes two of us then.

at this point, and for this poster, a grey rock seems appropriate.

or a mumsnet 'did you mean to be so rude?'

throwing unfounded accusations around is pretty rude, afterall

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly

Oh nooo not the grey rock!!

Have at it!

Yeah, OP (and you) might think that the marker of a woman is how selfless and "kind" she is, against their own interests. even though that womanly kindness doesn't appear to extend to women who think MTF trans people don't belong in women's private spaces, but it isn't.

I'm not in the least angry. I actually find this all rather pathetic.

Not much of a variation on the I feel sorry for you mantra, but still utterly predictable.

How odd. I’ll assume that contribution is because this thread isn’t going down the ‘you’re all nasty transphobes’ routes so they are endeavouring to make it so.

at this point, and for this poster, a grey rock seems appropriate.

Yes, you're right.