Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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Looks like it's dropped!

(This was around a decade ago though)

Holy shit R0wan that should never have been adopted - they have no business treating vulnerable kids.

No wonder Suzie Green acts like it's her service.

Holy shit R0wan that should never have been adopted shock - they have no business treating vulnerable kids.

WeRiseUp I was shocked reading it (have only skim read)

It seems to have existed in an ideological bubble outside of other NHS services.

Not so different to Mermaids/Susie Green, Dr Webberly etc

Ideological basis for Tavistock GIDS explained:

'Our Gender Identity Development Service'
4 November 2018

As reported in the Observer today, the Trust is currently conducting an internal review into issues raised about the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS)'

(extract)
"The GIDS was founded in 1989 and is one of the longest standing services for gender diverse children and young people in the world. Domenico Di Ceglie, who founded the service, wrote a set of therapeutic aims which we still abide by today. This includes the unconditional acceptance and respect for young people’s gender identity. We do not therefore take a view regarding the outcome of an individual’s gender identity development: rather, our focus is to provide a space for exploration of gender, to ameliorate any negative impacts on general development and to work with young people to think through all the options open to them. These principles remain central to the delivery of the service." (continues)

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/our-gender-identity-development-service/

It seems to have existed in an ideological bubble outside of other NHS services.

Yes. But it is deeply disturbing that it is an NHS service. How did that happen? Do we have similar dangerous quackery in other areas of the NHS?

I'm sick to the back teeth of every single organisation citing the "lack of research" and lack of evidence".

The lack of research tends to be because TRAs throw a fit and block it. Which is odd, if they really cared abouyt trans people, they would want as much research as possible surely..

I am still disgusted that the Tavistock are experimenting on kids, without even recording results...

Thank You to Ro for sharing the service specification.

I haven't yet read through this in detail, but until I do, I have pulled out and attached the CQUIN outcomes from page 36.

For those not familiar with NHS contracts, a percentage of the contract fee is only paid if certain criteria are met.

These include
stakeholder satisfaction, including feedback
client, family and carer involvement and engagement and with other stakeholders including voluntary sector support groups

Although stakeholder satisfaction is a fairly standard contract measure there is still potential here to give Mermaids, and similarly oriented stakeholders a lot of power over the service.

I am also twitched that diagnosis rate is mentioned as a clinical benefit. The intention, I'm sure is to make sure that the service is monitoring this, rather than having an arbitrary target for diagnosis rate. But I don't see it as a quality outcome measure.

I would prefer to see monitors long-term patient outcomes

Yes. But it is deeply disturbing that it is an NHS service. How did that happen?

Domenico Di Ceglie, just like James Barrett (adult GIDs) & other 'gender specialists' likely operated within a very small/closed group & for a long time were providing a specialist 'niche' service for a small number of (overwhelmingly male) patients who likely held them in high esteem/loyal regard.

Who would be questioning the service?

The start point in the US is with 'sexologists' particularly Harry Benjamin who likely informed clinics in other countries.

From what Ive read, many of those male doctors often demonstrated a combination of sexism, homophobia &/or 'god complex'

Weren't women's rights disregarded from the start when the male doctors required males who wanted to change their sex 'live in role' for two years?

The doctors who may be seen as 'gatekeeping' surgical and medical interventions for their patients effectively granted some men permission and requirement to access female spaces.

The male Doctors with their male patients determined what constituted 'living as a woman' meant.

I bought the Times yesterday because of this.

I bought the Times yesterday because of this

Me too. And now I have to go out and buy today's for the article and leader in today.

I have also found another thing that interests me personally and seems to have passed the BBC by . Much to read, no work done

The male Doctors with their male patients determined what constituted 'living as a woman' meant.

So true. Bailey widened it up to include openly peeverted AGPs, not just gay men. I hope he regrets that now.

Bumping this, I hope everyone appreciates that this is the most important story going on right now, not some wannabe solicitor trying to scare people off.

NotBadConsidering

Agree people should be taking the opportunity to write to MP’s, charity Commission, schools, NHS, county councils and asking them all WTF they’re doing to address this horrific situation and safeguard children.

has anyone seen today's Times? Are there any letters published about this?

Actually if you are writing to MPs printing off a copy of the front page of the Times would be a really good way of adding weight to what you are saying.

zanahoria

No, no letters in this published, just checked.

thanks

My superwoke facebook friend shared Tara Hewitts tweet on this yesterday, saying that the Times is a vile, transphobic shitrag, angryface, angryface, grrrrr.

Couldn’t have been clearer that she hadn’t read the actual articles. I don’t get that level of wilful blindness. Which bit about wanting gender confused children to have access to evidence based medicine is it that is so transphobic?

This is wonderful. The Times has drawn its line in the sand. I remember they were the first to break the story on the grooming gangs. They wouldn't shut up then either.

Pretty much everything said in yesterday's four articles has been said here. To see it laid out in The Times is a joyful moment.

Much can be built on this. Lots of letters and emails. We must keep pushing.

I see tatchell has said times is transphobic

He is getting owned on twitter with many people asking why anD linking to his past

The BBC adopting the Cologne Protocol, huh?

La, la, can’t hear you.

It’s very ‘screachy’ here, doubt you’ll stay for long

Your way >>>>>>>

So Peter Tatchell is in favour of children going through gay conversion therapy?