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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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EweSurname · 07/04/2019 22:56

Looks like it's dropped!

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children
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PackingSoap · 08/04/2019 19:46

What I don't understand is why Mermaids aren't terrified of getting sued in the future by someone who received their advice as a child and who regrets transition as an adult.

I mean, the level of intervention involved in the transition route, both medical and surgical, and the damage ... you are talking about the potential for millions in payouts.

I really don't understand why insurers and liability lawyers for various institutions aren't warning people against this.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/04/2019 19:47

Was it a coincidence that Ruth Hunt resigned shortly before these articles were published?

Oh good question!

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/04/2019 19:47

Bix Wine

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 19:53

I really don't understand why insurers and liability lawyers for various institutions aren't warning people against this.

They lawyers are all under the magic rainbow and they often work for big scary law firms. They think they can head off any legal challenge from a nobody without much support nor resources.

And they probably trained the insurers in diversity.

RedDogsBeg · 08/04/2019 20:01

There are echoes of the scandal of the over prescription of Ritalin to children in all this, so lessons have clearly NOT been learnt (is that the right spelling?).

I too am agog at the disconnect between children being treated and pushed into a pathway that involves surgery and a lifetime of drugs yet adults must not be expected to do either just say the magic words and ta-da! Come on all those in thrall to this ideology square that circle, explain that contradiction.

Bowlofbabelfish · 08/04/2019 20:02

you are talking about the potential for millions in payouts.

Apologies if anyone has said this before, I still have t read the whole thread. But this is why there has been such intense pressure to change guidelines by people like WPATH. Ifa clinic is adhering to an accepted standard of care then it becomes very difficult to sue.

If a clinic is not working to accepted standard of care then suing become much easier - a doctor is responsible for every prescription so if they can say ‘just following orders’ you’ve got nothing.

If it’s proven that informed consent was not correctly given, then victims’ chances of suing get much higher.

This is the worst ethical scandal I can think of in modern medicine. Thalidomide is often cited but once the evidence was put there people reacted fast. This is people actively suppressing evidence, engaging the courts to shut down discussion, and lobbying to keep it all rolling. It is quite simply the biggest medical/ethical scandal of our time.

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2019 20:03

One claimed young people were unable to give “informed consent” because it was regarded as taboo to discuss the impact of medical intervention on later sexual function in such a young cohort

There was a GP mumsnetter a couple of years ago who said they were advised that mentioning any of these things and fully informing of risk was tantamount to conversion therapy. Anyone remember?

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2019 20:06

Brilliant, Empress! Wine

hipsterfun · 08/04/2019 20:07

I'd rather be the most tin hatted paranoid nut and WRONG about these things than right.

Me too, Neuro Sad

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 20:17

I don't look good in tin foil. It just doesn't suit me.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/04/2019 20:19

There's so many things women said would happen that have happened that we really wish we'd been wrong about. But this more than anything.

JackyHolyoake · 08/04/2019 20:21

But this is why there has been such intense pressure to change guidelines by people like WPATH. Ifa clinic is adhering to an accepted standard of care then it becomes very difficult to sue.

Except that WPATH is not a formal medical association, it is a collection of people with an interest in transgender ideology, to the best of my knowledge.

CaveMum · 08/04/2019 20:27

Mermaids will ultimately turn out to be another Kids Company, though far, far more damaging to the young people they have got their claws into.

Miles Goslett broke that story, I wonder if he fancies having a crack at Mermaids?

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 20:36

Mermaids will ultimately turn out to be another Kids Company, though far, far more damaging to the young people they have got their claws into.

Until the day politicians start speaking out, and apologising for the error of judgment, I'll remain a pessimist.

CaveMum · 08/04/2019 20:40

If anyone wants to jump in and show their support for the articles, this Twitter thread could use some more voices of support.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1115212197163151360?s=21

SarahTancredi · 08/04/2019 20:40

Until the day politicians start speaking out, and apologising for the error of judgment, I'll remain a pessimist

If that happens( probably wont as I still feel everyone will double down now ) but if it does it will go one of 2 ways. Either it will all be the fault of feminists for not trying harder despite the police visits, court cases, doxxing, death threats, account hacking, Twitter bans and refusal of organisations to respond. Nspcc I'm looking at you. My reply is where now??

Or

It will be all their own amazing discovery and they will be hailed heroes for saving the children despite having been warned by us years before hand

Micaela64 · 08/04/2019 20:41

mobile.twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1115217376818147328

Lots of gay men and women furious at Stonewall's response or lack of, including comments about how the they couldn't care less about gay people anymore. Seems this is waking a lot of people up.

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2019 20:54

Wow there is some collective idiocy on that Times thread.

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2019 20:55

Miles Goslett broke that story, I wonder if he fancies having a crack at Mermaids?

Or Stonewall.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/04/2019 20:57

Yes that times twitter thread needs some support.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 08/04/2019 21:09

Excellent articles. Well done Lucy and all at The Times.

I commented about the value of the GC coverage in my last Times Voice survey, but today has reached higher. I'm so pleased to read the truth.

FermatsTheorem · 08/04/2019 21:11

I suspect the twitter feed is taking the flack because none of the TRAs are subscribers, so can't comment on the actual articles (which they would be loathe to do, because then you'd have to scroll through the articles, and they might inadvertently read something logical and trigger themselves.)

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/04/2019 21:13

Stirling work going on on Lucy Bannerman's Twitter btw.

remembers crush on Jack Appleby

Trousering · 08/04/2019 21:22

OK so I followed a thread with an angry silicon Valley type claiming its all evil bigotry, and they are truly their gender then there next tweet is an invitation to admire their new hormone enhanced chest.

It's about time some of the funding and research should be directed at treatment for early stage AGP instead of the current trans washing of this.

I bet this gets deleted.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 08/04/2019 21:25

Lots of very angry people on that thread Micaela64, and rightly so. The crack between the LGB and the T has been growing for a while and this has blown it wide open. Not the article itself, but Stonewalls lack of response. Even if the article is wrong, even if you think its just transphobia, any right minded person would welcome an inquiry just in case. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.