Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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Looks like it's dropped!

Well we knew it was coming and boy it's been worth the wait.

I'm still to read all the articles as I'm not a subscriber but I applaud Bannerman and could have hugged her when I started reading.

Apparently not wanting children to be medically transitioned is the same thing as wanting children to be attacked

Have you noticed that on one side the TRAs insist that children are medically and physically transed ASAP, and then on the other claim it to be barbaric to insist that adults (men mainly) are not surgically sterilised ( as in a recent article by Jane Fae that I don't have to hand, possibly independent?) but accepted with penises as women?

I wonder why 🤔?

The quote from the clinician who felt the father of a child was a peadophile was sickening but sadly doesn't surprise me after many of the pieces I've read by detransitioners.

Feel free to share!

That's brilliant!

And all those adult heterosexual autogynephiles are raging today because the human shield of these children they have worked to create so that they can conceal their sexual behaviour behind it they feel is now threatened.

Yup.

Still waiting to find out why Mermaids deem it appropriate and necessary to have highly secretive forums, one for children and one for parents.

And secret family weekends away with guest speakers.

There's sharetoken links to all 4 pieces upthread, neuro

Empress that is fabulous!

Thanks Errol I'm trying to get through the thread.

I'm v glad Oliver Burkeman is commenting on this.

And all those adult heterosexual autogynephiles are raging today because the human shield of these children they have worked to create so that they can conceal their sexual behaviour behind it they feel is now threatened.

'The Elephant In The Room'
article by Sue Donym

concludes:
Please Discuss The Elephant
If there’s one thing you ought to do, it’s discuss the elephant. Please discuss the elephant. Don’t leave it rampaging around the room, destroying everything in its path.

Autogynephilia is a weird concept. It can be inaccessible. But it needs to be discussed in the LGBT community, and openly. Not talking about it is causing way too much damage — we have had our organizations taken over, our spaces colonized, and our sexuality redefined. Thanks to these men, you can no longer say ‘I am, gay, meaning exclusively same-sex attracted’ without being labelled a TERF. That’s not a good thing.

Dancing around the subject isn’t helpful. While the ultimate result of autogynephilia is homophobic rhetoric, is important to remember that a sexual fantasy, not homophobia, motivates such rhetoric. That is the root cause of the problem.

Worse is the effect on autogynephiles themselves. ‘Transgender’ is not an umbrella. It is a term that erases the very different motivations and causes of various forms of gender dysphoria. It does people who claim the label absolutely no favors. The original inclusion of the ‘T’ was designed for homosexual transsexuals, and include them with other same-sex attracted individuals. It was not designed to include autogynephiles, who are heterosexual males, or ‘queer’ individuals who are heterosexual but believe dying their hair some variation of neon should mean they are included. Making ‘transgender’ an umbrella not only erases the very different causes and struggles associated with homosexual transsexuality, it also obscures the causes of, and struggles associated with autogynephilia. Autogynephilia is not a condition I would wish on anyone. It is a unique, somewhat bizarre struggle, and reading through many of the accounts of it was quite sad. It can make its sufferers lonely and unable to connect with intimate partners. But enabling it, and on a grand scale, has caused immense damage to homosexuals, particularly lesbians, who have lost almost all their spaces and communities to colonization.

Please discuss the elephant."
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

What is demonstrated in the Times' articles today is how serious Safeguarding issues have arisen due to the denial of 'the elephant in the room' & the consequence of adults who are reckless as to Safeguarding needs of children being granted platforms & influence.

Its very serious.

Still waiting to find out why Mermaids deem it appropriate and necessary to have highly secretive forums, one for children and one for parents.

And secret family weekends away with guest speakers.

They aren't the only translobbyists who organise residential 'camps' for children/young people.
Didn't Aimee Challenor attend one organised by Stonewall as a 17 year old care leaver? I think AC has talked about how influential this was.

"The same clinician said: “The reality is that if you say the right trigger words, get Mermaids on your side, by 11 you’ll be on hormone blockers and by 16 you’ll be on hormones. That’s not ethical.”

From the times article www.thetimes.co.uk/article/families-exploited-by-gender-lobby-groups-pushing-for-treatment-5fddvml8r

Mermaids have secret forums and hold secret residential weekends with guest speakers.

Who is monitoring Mermaid's activities?

Mermaids have secret forums and hold secret residential weekends with guest speakers.

Who is monitoring Mermaid's activities?

This needs urgent answers.

I have such mixed feelings today.

I feel slightly sick at the thought that my friends’ former daughter, who is well down the one-way transitioning road, will start to have those sneaky, prickly misgivings that hers was possibly not the right choice.

How hard will it be for these kids once the body is changed, hair thinning, voice gravelled, breasts removed - and then the doubts creep in?

Further to R0wantree's "Elephant in the room" article, if you do one thing tonight, go to the video in the opening post of the thread on Tara Hewitt. Watch from 5.30 onwards, when Tara explicitly says (in a lecture to HCPs in the NHS) that the trans umbrella covers biologically male individuals who cross dress as part of a sexual fetish.

This is not GC feminists making shit up, this is a trans advocate who delivers training to the NHS (is paid to deliver training to the NHS, in fact) and helps to draw up guidelines, saying this.

Who is monitoring Mermaid's activities?

Mermaids Trustees will be ulltimately accountable.
The Charity Commission will become relevent
So too MPs

Further to R0wantree's "Elephant in the room" article, if you do one thing tonight, go to the video in the opening post of the thread on Tara Hewitt. Watch from 5.30 onwards, when Tara explicitly says (in a lecture to HCPs in the NHS) that the trans umbrella covers biologically male individuals who cross dress as part of a sexual fetish.

This is not GC feminists making shit up, this is a trans advocate who delivers training to the NHS (is paid to deliver training to the NHS, in fact) and helps to draw up guidelines, saying this.

link to video which is Tara Hewitt delivering training for HCPs involved with cancer treatment:

thead:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

Accountable, yes. But are clinicians moderators of these forums?

That's what I'd like to know.

Elephants waving giant red flags.

It's not rocket science.

Carey Callaghan, a detransitioned woman writes well about her experiences in the states. It's cult practice.

In 2012, about two months after I attended the Philadelphia Trans Health Conference (red flag) where I had made a group of new friends (red flag) and had fallen in love with a non-binary person who lived with their polyamorous partner in Brooklyn (1,2,3 red flags), me and my new sweetie had a conversation about the possibility I may regret the testosterone injections my therapist had recently written a letter clearing me for.... My crimson-draped love interest told me they’d never heard of someone experiencing regret who wasn’t a fundamentalist Christian or a TERF. “I do have a friend who went on to identify as femme, but that just means they have to shave every morning,” they told me.

https://medium.com/@mariacatt42/red-flags-and-radicals-a-detransitioners-response-to-the-unhappiness-of-andrea-long-chu-4aa7cbe94880

I feel slightly sick at the thought that my friends’ former daughter, who is well down the one-way transitioning road, will start to have those sneaky, prickly misgivings that hers was possibly not the right choice.

How hard will it be for these kids once the body is changed, hair thinning, voice gravelled, breasts removed - and then the doubts creep in?

There are very vulnerable children & young people who have been failed by professionals, those claiming to advocate on their behalf & MPs who have failed to demand appropriate dilligence.

There is a desparate need for adults appropriately qualified to be able to offer the support needed.
(which will require that the Memorandum of Understanding & other professional restrictions secured by TRAs be removed asap)

I'd rather be the most tin hatted paranoid nut and WRONG about these things than right.

But all my years of safeguarding training make me ask that question of Mermaids.

Accountable, yes. But are clinicians moderators of these forums?

Many charities have forums and they have a responsibility to ensure they are appropriately moderated.
Ive been members of adult patient forums which have a suitably qualified moderator (nurse/OT etc) on hand, employed by the charity.

Its basic duty of care stuff

It seems a pertinent time for everyone who has not yet done so to read this illuminating analysis:

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

Nothing new to add but just wanted to thank Lucy Bannerman and the Times. I must admit that, as weeks had gone by, I'd been starting to wonder if their lawyers had locked the articles up and thrown away the key so thanks to them too for holding their nerve.

Those poor kids.

That's brilliant!

Thank you!

Thanks for the share tokens.

It is especially wonderful that The Times has an open comment policy. The quality and links and reasoned points are so refreshing. I'm sure the general public is getting quite the education.

Finally!

Empress 👌🏻

Was it a coincidence that Ruth Hunt resigned shortly before these articles were published?