Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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Looks like it's dropped!

As an example from the US of what's going on with kids:

archive.is/wnLYe

It also is a reminder of the benefits of archiving. The original thread was deleted.

Webberley telling people not to read the papers oh ffs

Stay safe don’t read the papers about clinicians having grave doubts about lobbying groups and kids as young as 3 being referred to a gender clinic

Don’t read it cos if you don’t read then you will be safe.

But who will be safe ?

And from what ?

About how trans people are being damaged and misled

That's just it isnt it.in some ways we are on the same side.

As much as many parts of the ideology and women rights clash. No one here wishes people harm. Proper investigation into therapies and the side effects of drugs etc is for their benefit too. The changes to the body can be permanent. And the effects should be fully researched without accusations that we are literally murdering them.

People deserve to be fully informed. Which they cant be when any debate or research is shut down

In what other scenario would a GP advise their patients not to read the papers on a particular day?

Indeed. Plus, don't forget Edward Lord writing to the Times to try and suppress Andrew Gilligan's reporting.

Written on their (Lord's pronouns are they, their, theirs) official City of London paper & directed to Rebecca Brooks (CEO NewsCorps UK & Ireland)
thread:
[www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3459026-Edward-Lord-asking-the-Sunday-Times-to-censor-Andrew-Gilligan

For me there has always been a clear thing about it only being about the interests of a certain type of trans person. The trans elite.

Lower ranking people in the community are just to prop up the interests of that elite group.

The elite group do not care about minority such as transsexuals. They don't care about kids.

It's all about their agenda. And to hell with anyone else who gets hurt in the mix.

And yes, there are lots of different vulnerable groups being hurt by all this and the lack of over sight and too power and influence being concentrated in a small number of people.

Who looked out for Miranda? Or any of the other trans people banned on twitter for having a different view? Maybe they needed community support to help them cope and the loss of that damages their mental health. And then there's the kids of late transitioners. And their wives. And three year old children.

Honestly its just jaw dropping.

Haven’t had time to read the full thread here but have just finished the article. Omg. Fantastic article and Lucy is to be commended for her bravery. It’s all this group has been saying in black and white.

Every trans rights organisation, charity and/or individual that dismisses out of hand serious Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns about the treatment of children whistleblown by medical professionals is demonstrating their failure to understand and respect Safeguarding & Child protection frameworks

Precisely. Same with the safeguarding holes in the Allsorts guidance.

The people who are trying to protect this vulnerable cohort are the people drawing attention to safeguarding failures, not the people shouting that information about them should be suppressed.

There are literally no actual counter arguments to this article - it's just people shouting 'DON'T READ IT! STAY SAFE! SUICIDE! HARASSMENT! BIGOTRY AND HATRED! WAAAAAHHHHH!'

It doesn't mean anything. Totally agree about the cult thing as well - it's exactly what they do.

I know people are saying be cautious, there's going to be such massive pushback, this is only the beginning.

But honestly, some wheels are falling off so fast they're a blur.

Stonewall claiming that those articles are damaging and misleading about transpeople, is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. How come it took so long to come up with such irrelevant words? It's like you put an objection in, and the same assertion comes out, every time, no matter what you're talking about.

And this :

Many people know they’re trans from a young age. Some trans people might not have the language or understanding of what it means to be trans until later in life. But it is always something innate and absolutely core to your sense of self. It’s not something that’s a fad, a 'lifestyle choice' or something that comes and goes.

How does that sit with the umbrella where cross dressers, genderfluid people and transvestites are also trans? And um, we're all trans.

And then Helen Webberley telling you not to read the paper. Honestly if I'd written a script for her to Sherpa the planet, the wording couldn't be better.

It really is all an illusion.

Who looked out for Miranda?

The question that should be asked of every single person supporting the ideology but never the non-compliant individuals. Nothing but excommunication for Miranda.

There are literally no actual counter arguments to this article

Yup, just, ‘it’s transphobia’. Why? Explain what about these articles is transphobic? Clinicians speaking about on what they deem to be harmful treatment of children is not transphobic.

Twitter comment Tara Hewitt @ tara_hewitt
"Trans people make up 1% of the population, this week a trans child had their head stamped on at school & another trans young person was slashed with a knife in the face in public. Yet today The Times has FOUR transphpbic articles targeting trans children. This is sick cruel abuse"

Tara Hewitt is employed by the NHS to advise on Diversity at an influential, managerial level.
Tara Hewitt also advises on Social Care policy & creation of toolkits for Foster carers, Social Workers & Looked After children & Young People.
Tara Hewitt (with Jess Bradley & Michelle Hudson) co-founded TELI

Tara Hewitt has demonstrated a consistant failure to engage with Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns for females, especially vulnerable girls who may be questioning their sexuality and 'gender identity'

Tara Hewitt seems not understand the nature of 'abuse' & as such should not be advising on Safeguarding/Child Protection matters

October 2018 Spectator lead article:
'Trans rights have gone wrong
The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'
James Kirkup
(extract)
"What explains the disproportionate number of girls (child ‘assigned female at birth’, to use the approved term) who are starting a journey that can lead to hormone treatment, then binding and ultimately removing their breasts? Is it possible that this is simply part of a wider crisis of mental health among girls?

I don’t know, and neither do the doctors and scientists who study this issue. (continues)

The government now intends to commission research into all this. You might think that sounds sensible and mundane. You would be wrong.

According to Tara Hewitt, founder of the Trans Equality Legal Initiative (TELI), prominent campaigner for transgender rights and an adviser to numerous public bodies including the NHS, the proposed research is ‘absurd and offensive’. The project should be ‘dropped in the bin — it’s simply not an inquiry that needs to happen,’ Hewitt reckons.

This is the quintessential trans-rights response to scrutiny: even looking for facts about children’s welfare is transphobic. Just accept that trans girls are girls and trans women are women. End of debate." (continues)
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

All those organisations are terrified their funding is going to be affected. In my view it should be affected .. not one of them should ever receive a penny from the public purse [government or Lottery or any other public source] again.

I hope someone tweets The Times articles onto the feeds of those apologists saying don't read, or if you have read it, it's all transphobic hate.

First paper copy of The Times today for many years. I felt like I was holding a little piece of sanity.

I was simultaneously astonished and unsurprised to see people like Webberly tweeting instructions to people not to read the Time article. Why? What's going to happen if they do?

HW and her cronies will lose business.

Who looked out for Miranda?

Miranda says that the Pink Law initiative ( a legal support service for LGBT issues) was used to go after her. So an LGBT service was used to enable a straight women to go after a transsexual in court. For an utterly bullshit case.

So not only was nobody in the LGBT community looking out for Miranda, some were actively assisting in hounding Miranda.

So an LGBT service was used to enable a straight women to go after a transsexual in court

Wow, I didn’t realise that.

RedToothBrush!

Ach. There wasn’t meant to be any exclamation mark there... Just flowers for you and family.

This. Is. Brilliant.

At last!! Will be buying multiple copies of The Times.

And shame on the BBC

Miranda says that the Pink Law initiative ( a legal support service for LGBT issues) was used to go after her. So an LGBT service was used to enable a straight women to go after a transsexual in court. For an utterly bullshit case.

Miranda Yardley'a article about the background to the case brought by CPS following allegations by Helen Islan of Mermaids:

'Regina v Miranda Yardley: More DARVO from Helen Islan'
POSTED ON 3RD MARCH 2019 BY MIRANDA
(extract)
In the Daily Mail today “Britain’s first transgender hate crime trial is halted after one day as judge says ‘there is no case and never was a case“, the complainant against me Helen Islan tries to distance herself from the proceedings which were brought in her name: (continues)

Anyway, back to the original quote which I will reproduce again so that we are clear as to Islan’s words:

‘The decision to prosecute was made by the CPS, not me personally and I accept the verdict of the court.’

On 10 August last year, I received from Islan’s solicitors Mishcon de Reya a three page legal letter threatening me with a High Court injunction, action for defamation and a costs order. This letter was I believe funded by the Mishcon de Reya ‘Pink Law‘ initiative, so again Islan benefitted from LGBT without herself being a part of this world.

What a hypocrite." (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/regina-v-miranda-yardley-more-darvo-from-helen-islan/

Daily Mail article linked: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6764763/Britains-transgender-hate-crime-trial-halted-one-day.html

@When a Transsexual is Prosecuted for ‘Transgender Hate Crime’
POSTED ON 16TH MARCH 2019 BY MIRANDA
(extract)
"On Friday 1 March, ten months of uncertainty and fear for my public reputation came to an end as a District Judge told a CPS prosecutor that the prosecution they were bringing against me for harassment under s2 of the Protection From Harassment Act 1997 was a baseless, politically motivated case and should never have come to court. I was awarded costs from the CPS, and this bizarre farce where a transsexual was being prosecuted for ‘transgender hate crime’ reached an abrupt end. After all this, there was no case to answer. " (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/when-a-transsexual-is-prosecuted-for-transgender-hate-crime/

I'm confused about Webberley. She's currently suspended but is still speaking as a panellist at trans health events, and GenderGP is still seeing and prescribing to patients? Is that allowed?

Or rather "How is that allowed?"

I know people are saying be cautious, there's going to be such massive pushback, this is only the beginning.

But honestly, some wheels are falling off so fast they're a blur.

"But her emails...."

We have the same Trumpian pattern going on, with TRAs holding power.

The law and media have not managed to pin down allegations against a huge body of evidence in the US. Trump supporters still are happy to have him as president despite concerns, because it suits their wider world view and agenda.

Thus if you are a sexist, racist, closet homophobic you will not see the story here. You don't want to. You will only see the dead cat of wanting to police people who say things that show up the house of cards.

They will come at MN and they will come hard.

MN might not stand up to it. They are going to have to draw a line in the sand at some point I think. Or they might just roll over for the sake of an easy life as the alternative is to close due to unworkable law about social media.

I don't know.

I just think the political climate is such that reality and push back only counts for a certain amount.