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Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children

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EweSurname · 07/04/2019 22:56

Looks like it's dropped!

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children
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CaveMum · 08/04/2019 12:25

I shall be buying my copy alongside a bag of Mini Eggs.

boatyardblues · 08/04/2019 12:25

If only someone woukd join the dots, eh, Loopy?

R0wantrees · 08/04/2019 12:25

It may be more effective to ask Heads & Governors to withdraw /suspend any involvement oruse of resources from Mermaids, GIRES, Gendered Intelligence etc in light of the Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns raised by senior medical professionals until further investigations have been satisfactorily concluded.

Yes .. not forgetting the Allsorts guidance in our schools, which is truly alarming.

The Allsorts Guidance is promoted by Mermaids.

Given that the Times articles focus is on the whistleblown Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns of senior staff at NHS Tavistock GIDS. Heads & Governors should be advised that there are potentially serious issues which may impact vulnerable students.

They should be aware of the need to be alert to all of the issues being raised and during such a time it would be inapproriate to promote any trans rights organisations.

Schools have duty of care obligations towards all pupils.

nauticant · 08/04/2019 12:26

I see these articles as a planting the flag exercise by The Times. They're putting on record, as publicly as possible, that there are valid reasons to be concerned. It's a challenge to those having an interest or stake to deny what The Times are saying, accept that there may be reasons for concern, or to do a Three Wise Monkeys act.

It might act to encourage people like politicians to wonder whether denial or head in sand will be prudent choices for the long term. And then you have people like Stephen Doughty who can only responding with robotic virtue signalling:

twitter.com/SDoughtyMP/status/1115187407664701441

NowtSalamander · 08/04/2019 12:26

So, MP feedback. My feeling from the meeting was that she is quite prepared to admit that transitioning children raises concerns - much more open to this than concerns over women’s safety. Of course part of the problem for them discussing adults is that there are a lot of trans women around the Westminster bubble and TWAW, as we know, rules in every political party. Also, privileged women often can’t see the dangers for vulnerable women.

However, she’s happy to admit that maybe doctors are in the wrong and that maybe children aren’t capable to consent. I think this is a good “in” for people wishing to go back to MPs and push for more traction. She did seem willing to take it further and made promises to do so.

The main thing for me is that there is definitely huge progress in her attitude from around 2016 when I first contacted her about this stuff. Then she quite definitely thought I was mad.

GerryblewuptheER · 08/04/2019 12:27

It's just such a tragic end to it all. That day, a few years back when face book was lit up In rainbow colours celebrating gay marriage being made legal. The day we could all tell our children they were free to marry the person they loved.

And now lesbians have to fight for their right to have sex penis free all over again.

Stonewall and the like will take on and challenge feminists for being gender critical . Where are they when the likes of riley dennis tell lesbians that their preferences are transphobic. I dont know how anyone with good conscience can support them.

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 12:28

As I said on another thread; what investigation has there been of homophobia in the trans community.

Its all very well Stonewall saying it effectively does not exist. But they have fuck all to back it up with.

Hecalledmecarrots · 08/04/2019 12:34

Well done The Times and The Mail!

Hopefully more of the general public are waking up now.

Although it will be at the expense of a medal for a woman, in a way, I hope that a transwoman does win an event at the Tokyo Olympics next year.

The tide will truly and totally turn against the lunacy of trans ideology then, hopefully.

But what a fantastic development in the meantime!

RepealTheGRA · 08/04/2019 12:40

Ah! Stephen doughty! One of a whole range of reasons to never vote labour again.

theOtherPamAyres · 08/04/2019 12:40

These are the MPs who sit on the Health and Social Care Parliamentary Committee

Sara Woolaston (independent)
Luciana Berger (independent)
Ben Bradshaw (lab)
Rosie Cooper (lab)
Diana Johnson (Lab)
Paul Williams (Lab)
Johnny Mercer (Con)
Andrew Selous (Con)
Derek Thomas (Con)
Martin Vickers (Con)
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)

What's the betting that none of them have read the Times
or have received communications from concerned consistuents
or will get off their arses without being pushed by the public?

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 12:41

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1115175446851796992

Well Jane Fae's response is...

...

...

I'll let you decide for yourselves!!!

IStillMissBlockbuster · 08/04/2019 12:43

I'm off to buy a copy of the Times, first time I've done that in years. I'll be looking for prawn cocktail crisps I imagine.

Datun · 08/04/2019 12:44

However, she’s happy to admit that maybe doctors are in the wrong and that maybe children aren’t capable to consent. I think this is a good “in” for people wishing to go back to MPs and push for more traction

And don't be discouraged that the rest won't follow. The biggest advert for challenge to transactivism, is transactivism.

See Helen Webberley shrieking don't read papers, don't look, don't open the curtains!

RepealTheGRA · 08/04/2019 12:45

WTAF!?!

ineedaknittedhat · 08/04/2019 12:45

I have a Times subscription and was amazed to see this article today 😁

Is this the light at the end of the tunnel at long last? Thank god the health professionals are speaking out. This is not just opinion, but hard facts!

A good day. Thank you Times.

GerryblewuptheER · 08/04/2019 12:46

Its all very well Stonewall saying it effectively does not exist. But they have fuck all to back it up with

They have re written the definition of homosexuality to he one that by it's very wording is homophobic. They have literally erased it themselves

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children
R0wantrees · 08/04/2019 12:50

Stephen Doughty MP has demonstrated repeatedly that he does not understand or respect Safeguarding & that he will do all he can to silence journalists & women, especially feminists raising concerns about the impact of transactivism on Safeguarding & women's rights.

October 2018 Pink News,
'LGBT Leaders: Lawmakers reject radical feminist transphobia'
(see screenshot)
Stephen Doughty MP with Baroness Liz Barker (LibDem) & Benjamin Cohen (Pink News)
All have had very high levels of influence & are closely aligned with TRAs & organisations.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/12/lgbt-leaders-lawmakers-reject-radical-feminist-transphobia/

Stephen Doughty MP took a lead role last year in the Home Affairs investigation into hate crime.
(Trans Media Watch made allegations about Mumsnet in written submission: thread

May 2018 Spectator,
'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'
James Kirkup

(extract)
Even if you don’t know who Stephen Doughty MP is, if you’re vaguely familiar with the history of New Labour, you’ll know his story: Oxford, a job for a senior Labour politician and a brief spell working in charities. Then selection for a safe seat in his early 30s, thanks to a combination of talent and friends in the right places.

Now 38 and having resigned from Jeremy Corbyn’s front bench over, well, Jeremy Corbyn, Doughty sits on the Home Affairs Committee, which, among other things, is inquiring into hate crime, and its causes. To that end, the committee last week took evidence from a bunch of newspaper editors about the way their papers covered groups including British Muslims and transgender people. Doughty was very interested in the latter group, talking quite extensively about what he described as “a concerted effort by certain publications at the moment to promote some extremely unpleasant transgender hate material.” (continues)

The long article contains discussion & evidence many of the concerns being raised today & is worth reading in full.

James Kirkup concluded:
"Doughty, meanwhile, describes as “extreme” and “hate material” an article which observes that some people lobbying for changes in the name of transgender people are advocating things that might not be in the best interests of children. I have never met Doughty but have generally heard good things about him from colleagues: bright, committed, thoughtful and so on. So I must assume that he was having an off day when the committee met last week. It happens to us all, after all.

Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like him didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children
Times article - calls to end transgender 'experiment' on children
LizzieSiddal · 08/04/2019 12:52

NowtSalamander

Thanks for the feedback from your MP. It's great to hear that she is beginning to listen. Did you take The Times in with you?Grin

RepealTheGRA · 08/04/2019 12:54

I’d forgotten that beautiful take down of him by James Kirkup, thanks for the reminder Smile

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 08/04/2019 12:55

I am seriously horrified at Stonewall and their definition of homosexual. I cannot understand any gay or lesbian who is not outraged at the changing of the definition.

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 12:56

I think some of these MPs need to be sent physical hard copies of the article together with a print out of this

www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professor-carl-heneghan

And then asked why they think that 'these doctors might be wrong'.

The whole fucking point of evidence based medicine is to eliminate as far as possible the unconscious bias of medical professionals!!!!

Steve Doughty is an utter fuckwit who needs to be asked what the purpose of evidence based medicine is, why we use it, why he thinks that Carl Heneghan would put his name to an opinion piece and why he thinks Carl Heneghan's professional intergrity and entire career is flawed.

hipsterfun · 08/04/2019 12:56

They have re written the definition of homosexuality to he one that by it's very wording is homophobic. They have literally erased it themselves

Slow hand-clap for the geniuses at Stonewall.

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 13:00

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual. Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

Stonewall's definition of homophobia if it is based on gender or gender identity and not sex IS homophobic. They are institutionally homophobic.

RedToothBrush · 08/04/2019 13:02

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R0wantrees · 08/04/2019 13:03

Well Jane Fae's response is...

To ignore & dismiss serious Safeguarding concerns that impact children and women yet again?

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

A reminder that the BBC & The Independent especially accord TRA Jane Fae repeated platforms to oppine on women's rights, feminism, Safeguarding etc

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