Pride In London - A Pride Without Hate

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prideinlondon.org/news/2019/3/31/a-pride-without-hate

'Susie Green, CEO of Mermaids said: To back out of Pride in London when they are showing that they are addressing these issues only bows to hate. Mermaids is working with our partners and Pride in London. We will only take part if we are satisfied that concerns have been addressed and that security and safety, especially of vulnerable people, particularly children, is paramount. Pride in London have apologised for the mistakes made last year, and the distress caused. They are committed to standing up to intimidation and oppression. So are Mermaids, alongside our partners Stonewall, UK Black Pride and We Level Up”. '

The devastation wreaked by those 8 lesbians! Central London is still a wasteland...

Why does SG get to dictate conditions in this way?

In case you hadn't noticed, a very good job is being done of distracting you - with pointless, meaningless word salad saying nothing constructive at all - from the topic of the thread. The topic of the thread is:

Why is Mermaids (a charity lobbying for gender identity theory to be applied to children) dictating which lesbians (homosexual women) are allowed to participate in Pride in London?

It's to do with protecting the families they support from visible hatred.

I object to non-LGBTQ-identifying people having a pop at how we should run Pride. That's our baby, not yours

Great principle. So let's apply that to all the men currently colonising and appropriating women's identities, spaces, organisations, language and laws and we'll all be a lot safer and happier. And presumably SG (not being LGBTQ identifying) will also do the world a favour and shut up?

Thank you LangCleg.

I don't think this has been linked yet - Lesbians at Ground Zero - a report by Get the L Out:

Get the L Out new research LESBIANS AT GROUND ZERO revealed that lesbians are routinely being coerced into sexual relations with transwomen. The report includes findings of a survey which shows lesbians are under huge pressure within GBT communities to accept without question that “transwoman are women.” Lesbians who responded to the survey reported a wide variety of sexual violence by transwomen, including sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape.

Get the L Out calls on mainstream GBT organisations to take a stand against the harassment and assault of lesbians by “transwomen”, describing the current situation as akin to ‘corrective rape’ and ‘conversion therapy.’’

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html

Because of the women who protested at pride last year, I, a lesbian woman, may not attend this year because I don't want my kids to see that kind of hatred directed at anyone (who hasn't breached the law around consent).

Me and my family are therefore excluded from Pride.

Lesbians asserting dick-free female homosexuality at a Pride event is hatred. Deary fucking me. As heteronormative as they come.

Assert what you like.
It's the method and the language that transmits the hatred.

Can you give an example of the language and method that could be used to put the point across without being "hateful" in your view?

It's the method and the language that transmits the hatred.

You say hatred, I say heteronormativity.

Let's call the whole thing off.

Or, alternatively, we could stick to the topic of the thread, you could stop deflecting, and tell us whether or not you think a child transition charity-come-lobby-group should be dictating what lesbians can, or cannot, do at Pride. How about that?

Stonewall statement 14/03/19

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/solidarity-and-pride

They say they're working with 'UK Black Pride, Mermaids and Level Up to create a marching group that embodies the full diversity of our community and shows what an unstoppable force we are when we stand together.'

Level Up calls itself a feminist organisation. It's basically Carys Afoko who wrote this splendid article:

Excluding trans women from single-sex spaces is cruel – and impossible
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/26/trans-women-single-sex-spaces-cruel-impossible

I don't want my kids to see that kind of hatred directed at anyone

However you're fine with the hatred being directed at lesbians who openly state they are homosexual and will not include males in their sex life, and with women who stand up for their rights against organisations like Mermaids.

You're also happy to pressure those women to accept their oppression quietly and without fuss because it might upset children and vulnerable families (of T people. You're not worried about the L people and their vulnerable families and children.)

Why do Mermaids want to exclude non conforming lesbians from Pride? Because those non conforming lesbians are pointing out the ugliness and awfulness of what Mermaids is doing to them and to all women and girls, they would like homosexuality and women's rights to just go away quietly and they are desperate for the general public not to see it.

Fuck that.

@Skyzalimit Thanks for posting I know it can be difficult when you're promoting a an minority idea, it is what originally pushed me away from sites like Jezebel and Everyday feminism (I think periods and maternity should be discussed as female issues and was called a TErf etc). And obviously MN is mostly GC.

What would you say to people like me who feel strongly against all this because they as (straight) people would have identifed as trans had the current definition been the one used in the 90s? Either we are actually non binary (or maybe AGender) and should be welcome and our views heard and respected as part of the community or not... And if not, why not? If gender is "real" and not just id politics. Then proportionately just as many middle aged women would be non binary as teenage girls.

So where are these women? They are most likely feminists and gender non conforming.

I do believe all people are non binary because I can't mentally comprehend the fact that some people "identify" with their sex. I don't understand the concept. So I find it weird that some people say they feel cis.

Which by stonewalls definition makes me trans.

Which is all fine except as a person who has spent nearly 40 years being treated as a woman despite my great hatred of that treatment I feel that what we need to do is destroy gender expectations not promote them.

But mainly, I object to non-LGBTQ-identifying people having a pop at how we should run Pride. That's our baby, not yours. You have the rest of the year.

Maybe tell Susie?

Suzie would have her arrested for a hate crime.

Level Up calls itself a feminist organisation.

Well, it identifies as one.

If I were young enough to believe that I could just admit I was non binary and suddenly not be treated as a woman I'd be all over it.

Is that a threat?

What exactly in these posts did you misinterpret as a threat?

And no, it won't be, because GC women have this amazing ability to get really angry without talking about or even considering for a moment harming or hurting anyone, never mind threatening them. They talk about issues. They write letters. They make leaflets and signs. They hold meetings. Because of being competent adults with social skills.

Did you really think she was threatening Susie Green by saying a person who admits to illegally committing a genital mutilation on a minor might worry that people will be unhappy?

I do hope the police crawl out of their own arses and do soemthing about the MGM that was commited in Thailand though.

The Pride march did not need security last year and doesn't need it this year. The ludicrous performance of outrage demonstrated by Giuliana because 8 women showed up at the front with placards about their sexuality and the abuse they face because of it, is not evidence of danger.

It's simply evidence of a few trans people's outrage that we don't believe they are the opposite sex. That's not a dangerous risk, it's just a normal run of the mill fact of life.

Some one ought to be telling the security demanders to ramp it down and respect other people's lives too.

To answer the OP (thanks Lang): barring those protesters has nothing to do with protecting children.

It is false to frame their protest as “hatred..” (Stonewall propaganda). Lesbians have tried to raise these concerns for years, and been shut out.

Their flyer had 3 points, one said: teenage girls are the biggest group who transition and 90% are lesbian. If they were accepted and supported as non confirming girls maybe some would want to remain girls.

MM cannot let that message out. So the protesters must be discredited as “hateful” and silenced at all costs. Barred from their own march.

Since lesbians aren’t welcome at the March maybe someone will hold a Leabian Pride party somewhere else?

This wouldn't work as male people will take over it and scream bigot, pressure will be immense, and either it will be cancelled or there will be a lot of trouble ther,e possibly resulting in violence against the lesbians who wish to continue to define their sexuality as 'female homosexual' rather than 'I fancy people with long hair, regardless of sex'