Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

[Pimmsnlemonade]

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

Does anyone actually seriously believe PinkNews is "journalism"?

Don't underestimate the scope of Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003:

Jesus

Why. Why after all that we have seen and gone through with this do I still hold on to the naive hope that common sense prevails.

Does anyone actually seriously believe PinkNews is "journalism"?

Pink News are lobbyists & have been very effective cross party political lobbyists

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

If the technically accurate word “castration” is just too upsetting for the people responsible for it happening perhaps we should use the medically accurate term- “bilateral orchidectomy” with a little note to explain what this means. Words aren’t harmful now are they? Oh, wait...

Paris Lees doing what Paris does best and twisting things to suit their agenda. The reason that it went out that Caroline was being investigated for misgendering is because that is what the police told her.

I'm glad these tweets are out now. Everyone can see them for what they are. What SG did was illegal and that is why she had to take her child to Thailand to get it done. And by the definition of 'castration' and 'sterilised', that is exactly what happened. OK, 'mutilated' is a loaded word, 'child abuse' is a matter of opinion, but these tweets are not hate crime. Not even close. There is no incitement of violence, there are no threats.

This is BULLSHIT!!!

The guardian story is so disingenuous!

the very first line says
" a journalist wrongly accused her of mutilating and castrating her trans daughter"

At the very least there should be an 'allegedly' somewhere in there!

And if you read the whole article including the text of the tweets, the truth is out and there is no way they can claim it is 'wrongful'...

No comments of course

Thanks for all the information re Lobby Groups, there is so much wrong with what's been done and I am very concerned about how they were allowed to take their lobbying of the government into schools, the police, etc. There is no way this should be allowed, there is no way this would have been allowed by any other one issue lobby group.

It's sinister and a complete failing by the Government and Civil Service who are supposed to uphold impartiality.

a journalist wrongly accused her of mutilating and castrating her trans daughter"

If I were Caroline I'd send them a solicitors letter to get them to change that "wrongly"

All those claiming that Jackie Green wasn't castrated, what are they saying happened instead? That the gender fairy went to Thailand, sprinkled magic dust over Jackies penis and it became a vagina?

Thanks for all the information re Lobby Groups, there is so much wrong with what's been done and I am very concerned about how they were allowed to take their lobbying of the government into schools, the police, etc. There is no way this should be allowed, there is no way this would have been allowed by any other one issue lobby group.

This is an important piece of analysis:

'Children’s Rights Impact Assessment'
(extract)

Foreword
Women and Girls in Scotland is a grassroots, feminist, women’s campaign group set up to protect the sex-based rights of women and girls. Current UK equality legislation recognises that women and girls need legal protections on the basis of sex.
However, these protections are in danger of being undermined by current policies and proposed legislative changes. As such, we are undertaking a process of reviewing policies and proposals in order to identify where the needs of women and girls are not being met or where their rights are not being upheld.
We identified the document Supporting Transgender Young People: Guidance for Schools in Scotland as one such proposal that merited review. We have assessed this proposal using a children’s rights-based approach, with an impact assessment model developed by the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland. This
model was developed to offer policy and decision makers a tool to help them “fulfil their responsibilities to respect the rights of children and young people set out in national and international law”.1
We are currently waiting for a formal response from the CYPCS in relation to our Children’s Rights Impact Assessment. This version has been submitted to the CYPCS; we have removed the few sections where we did not make a submission.
We may update this Children’s Rights Impact Assessment once we have heard back from the CYPCS, at which time we will also issue our assessment as a report that we will then move to share with schools, local authorities and other stakeholders." (continues)

Among the councils which have endorsed the guidance produced by LGBT Youth and the Scottish Trans Alliance, Glasgow, West Lothian, Clackmannanshire and South Lanarkshire said they were unable to publish an assessment of the likely impact on other pupils as they had not carried one out. Edinburgh City Council failed to respond. The office of the Scottish Children's Commissioner, Education Scotland and the Scottish Government have all also backed the LGBT Youth guide.

Scotland's Children's commissioner said: "We did not undertake and therefore do not hold" any research looking at how other pupils might be affected by the guidance.

wgscotland.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Childrens-Rights-Impact-Assessment-by-Women-and-Girls-in-Scotland.pdf

cf Herald in Scotland article 25th June 2018
"Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action"
(extract)
THE rights of Scottish schoolgirls are being undermined by rules allowing pupils to adopt a different gender and share changing rooms, it has been claimed, as it emerged schools are unprepared for the controversial overhaul.

A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.

The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account." (continues)

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said. (continues)
www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

I believe journalists use 'allegedly' as they think it will protect them from court cases, and I read this isn't so as they could be prosecuted if need be. Anyway, not really relevant to us non-journalists.

I noticed the 'castrating her daughter'. Maybe you could technically have this done by ovary removal - would that also be 'castration or is that solely a male preserve? - but SG did actually castrate her son as testes were removed, he was a legal minor on the Thailand trip and couldn't have a GRC.

It just stuck me as more Bonkersspeak, like 'her penis', born of the massive conflation of facts, ideas, fantasy and whatever else they feel like chucking in the pot.

Words have agreed meanings. Or used to.

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3538754-Police-investigation-of-Kellie-Jay-Keen-Minshull-following-complaint-by-Susie-Green

Interesting story on bbc showing how over half of Surrey Police funding comes from council tax - highest %. And that the police ‘need’ to do this to fund core policing. If I was a council tax payer in Surrey I would be challenging why my tax money is being used on pointless and unnecessary police activities.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47625966

All those claiming that Jackie Green wasn't castrated, what are they saying happened instead? That the gender fairy went to Thailand, sprinkled magic dust over Jackies penis and it became a vagina?

Bollocks I say.

Bollocks.

Except it wouldn't become a vagina - it would become a surgically-created hole that needs to be manually dilated every day or will heal over, the way any wound would.

Mermaids training session for teachers as disclosed by Michael Conroy last year:

Imherefornow Sat 22-Dec-18 wrote:
"Here are the links to the transcripts thanks to a wonderful mumsnet collaboration. Share as you will smile

docs.google.com/document/d/1NDOMlo2aEpBl2ySfKdEWCb1H94tZciKiqUffjH1ku0Y/edit?usp=sharing

docs.google.com/document/d/1aeFV0T6j4PXvm1xZBS_50oSJYV-_gO8YMoFjKjNA_9Y/edit?usp=sharing

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training

Reminds me of Oscar Wilde’s huge error in suing the Marquess of Queensberry for calling him a sodomite. Not a good idea to draw attention to your crimes.

Mermaids training sessions - always a nostalgic joy. It reminds me so much of the days of yore I spent in the Pentecostal Youth Group

Thanks again R0wantrees. I'm going to do some research and find out if any other group lobbying for a change in the law has been allowed to take their indoctrination into schools and other organisations under the guise of 'training' prior to any changes of said law and, if not, why not.

See also Prof Kathleen Stock's analysis of the many failings of Maria Miller MP led inquiry:

'Women’s Place talk: full text House of Lords Oct 10th 2018'
(extract)
"So the question for all of us is: how to balance these competing interests?

I want to talk about how, in attempting to answer that question, public organisations are being misleadingly advised, sometimes with harmful results.

I take it that the selection of advisors on a particular issue should follow four basic and commonsensical principles:

· All groups affected should be represented

· Advisors should have relevant expertise, and should advise only on areas where they have expertise.

· Advisors shouldn’t have backgrounds which undermine their credibility.

· Advisors should, where possible, appeal to independently verified evidence to back up their views.

For an example where these four principles were not put into practice, I’d like to look at the select committee report from the Transgender Equality inquiry, which came out in January 2016.

Just to remind you all: this inquiry recommends removing any substantive constraints on who may legally change sex, for whatever reason. It also recommends a host of other policies: for instance

· Lowering the age at which one can legally change sex, to 16.

· Rescinding current provision in the Equality Act, to allow trans women to work and receive support in occupational settings like rape crisis centres and domestic violence refuges.

So, taking the principles just outlined one by one:

a) Were all affected groups represented, in the choice of witnesses to the Trans Inquiry?

In a word, no.

20 people were called as witnesses to the Inquiry, excluding MPs. 11 of these represented trans advocacy/ lobbying groups. 9 of these were more obviously ‘neutral’. No special advocates for other groups were called as witnesses. For instance:

· female-only groups and services,

· post-operative transsexuals against self-ID, and

· concerned parents of transitioning children

were not properly represented.

In the use of written submissions, there’s also a preponderance of trans advocates listened to, and the ignoring of other groups. To take just one example, 8 points made by transwoman Jane Fae appear in the Final Report. But written submissions such as those of transwoman Miranda Yardley, who is against self-ID; or the well-known academic Professor Sheila Jeffreys, don’t appear anywhere in the Final Report." (continues)

medium.com/@kathleenstock/womens-place-talk-full-text-house-of-lords-oct-10th-2018-b1f3d70c4559

March 2018 TransgenderTrend article, 'Who Is Making Policy For Schools?'
(extract)
"The image above shows a presentation from a local Southend trans support group called Transpire, founded by a 54 year-old transsexual male called Gina Denham who teaches children that we all have a ‘gender identity’ which exists in the womb and is independent of both our socialisation and our biological sex. It is this ‘gender identity’ which makes us a boy or a girl and actually being male or female is irrelevant.

Transpire recently forced a school to change its policies in service of this ideology. Under the guise of ‘inclusion’ and ‘integration’ Gina Denham led an aggressive campaign to force a school in Rochford to remove sex-based rights and protections for its female students.

The trans pupil in question has been known by the Transpire group for two years so has presumably been thoroughly conditioned into the belief that he is literally female. As with Lily Madigan at his school in Kent, this one pupil has been afforded the power to change policy affecting all other pupils at the school with the help of a powerful transgender lobby.

The Transpire campaign began on Facebook: (continues including Mermaids involvement)

The whole campaign, from start to finish, took 6 days. No time to conduct a proper impact assessment on pupils protected under the protected characteristic ‘sex’ as the school is legally obliged to do before changing policy. How is this not in breach of Equality law? The pupil involved is legally male, not female, and single-sex provisions are lawful under the Equality Act, for reasons of privacy. The example of school facilities used in the Equality and Human Rights Commission Technical Guidance (3.20) does not state that a pupil protected under ‘gender reassignment’ as transsexual should be allowed to use the facilities of the opposite sex:

The way in which school facilities are provided can lead to discrimination. Example: A school fails to provide appropriate changing facilities for a transsexual pupil and insists that the pupil uses the boys’ changing room even though she is now living as a girl. This could be indirect gender reassignment discrimination unless it can be objectively justified. A suitable alternative might be to allow the pupil to use private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space.

King Edmund School is praised for showing “flexibility and openness to change” whereas in fact they were coerced by a campaign designed to intimidate and shame them for their ‘abusive’ policy of ‘discrimination’ and ‘segregation’, clearly risking damage to the school’s reputation. One tweeter even likened it to ‘apartheid.’

Although the final tweet proclaims ‘Everyone wins!’ Denham freely admits in this BBC report that the victory is only for the transgender student and everyone else’s needs and rights are unimportant:

“It’s about giving people the opportunity to use the toilet they are comfortable with, not what the school is comfortable with.”

So who is Gina Denham and what gives this individual so much power that a school changes its whole policy to cater to the demands of just one pupil?" (continues)
www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

I thought the MoQ called Oscar Wilde a "sondomite".

he said OW was 'masquerading as a somdomite [sic]'

Ah-ha! So he did.

I've just read that Mermaids training session, in the immortal words of John McEnroe - "You cannot be serious!!!".

I've read some insufferable garbage in my time but that tripe wins hands down for the absolute worst nonsense.

Supposedly intelligent people are swallowing and nodding along to this bollocks??? People in positions of power and influence are rubber stamping this???