Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

[Pimmsnlemonade]

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

Spot on Bowl.

I'm glad the C- word is out there now.

"Indeed, in law, India is a woman. What India is not is female. The law needs to clarify what a woman is, seeing as how the dictionary definition is problematic nowadays."

The law does clarify:

The Equality Act 2010 defines thus:

a woman as a female of any age.

a man as a male of any age.

So, Willoughby is a man.

See: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212
[and scroll down alphabetic list]

The GRA 2004 also recognises this:

see sections 12, 15, 16, 19 and 20

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/contents

In the DM article and elsewhere Surrey Police are saying they are still investigating this matter against Caroline Farrow. How is what SG is doing not being seen as prejudicial to an ongoing criminal investigation? Why are the Police not speaking to SG about her actions here?

The tweets from CF are blunt and to the point, there is noting remotely criminal or hateful in them. They detail facts and a personal opinion based on those facts.

SG is the author of her own misfortune, SG has relentlessly publicised the life of her child and what SG did in regard to her child. If SG did not want scrutiny and criticism of her actions SG should not have placed the information in the public domain.

I wonder if Susie Green's fury is because she is ferociously trying to prevent her child realising how so many people would regard what has been done to them.

I feel a bit sorry for people like India - they have to put a lot of time and effort and cash into becoming a woman, and I expect there is a sadness that they will always be different to those of us born female. Must be a tough truth to have to face in the public eye.

Tine effort & cash into believing they became a woman & also attempting to force others to affirm / confirm this.

cf India Willoughby Celebrity Big Brother.... "I am a woman, let that penetrate"

I wonder if Susie Green's fury is because she is ferociously trying to prevent her child realising how so many people would regard what has been done to them.

I think that's exactly it. This is about SG having her actions validated, especially from her own child. If she can normalise children having this sort of 'treatment' then it would make it a million times easier for her to justify her actions to her own family.

I really do think it's strange that Jackie Green isn't out there fighting to defend their mum.

Good point DodoPatrol and SG's child is never going to able to voice misgivings or regret at what has happened.

Now Jackie is older, I wonder how many of her friends are gay men?

And if given a choice now, whether she might prefer a future as a gay man living without medication. Is 'being a girl' as important as it was when she was 4.

I honestly dont know the answer, and suspect she does not know either. But her experience and those of other transgender adults who transitioned as children, is important. If only to confirm the Mermaids affirmation approach.

I think this has backfired massively for SG. The many of comments of the articles, posts, tweets i’ve seen are highly critical of what has happened.

DodoPatrol

"I wonder if Susie Green's fury is because she is ferociously trying to prevent her child realising how so many people would regard what has been done to them."

You may have nailed it here. What is being expressed here is deep insecurity about what she did. She is learning the wider public find it abhorrent, regardless of anything she says about her motivation for doing it. Taking that child to USA, to Dr Norman Spack in Boston, for hormones that were illegal to be prescribed in UK to children of that age [under 16 years], and later to Thailand for surgery that was and still is illegal here in UK, kind of says it all, really.

Someone who engaged in such illegal activity is surely unfit to run a charity advocating for so-called "transgender children".

[I do not believe there is such a thing as a "transgender child" by the way.]

This is about SG having her actions validated, especially from her own child. If she can normalise children having this sort of 'treatment' then it would make it a million times easier for her to justify her actions to her own family.

I think you are absolutely right RockyFlinstone that this is at the heart of what SG is doing and the more people scrutinise, criticise and disagree the more SG tries to shut down every avenue available for dissent, hence the infiltration of the Police Force by Mermaids et al.

A quick internet search for Jackie Green shows that Jackie hasn't exactly been shy about getting Jackie's name and story plastered all over the papers.

So the police are investigating criticism of something that was an illegal act in the first place? How can that be?

Mermaids statement

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/mermaids-response-to-media-reporting-on-ceos-report-of-hate-crime.html

I feel a bit sorry for people like India

I don't.

India has been granted an unquestioning public platform and considerable amount of media work since choosing to go public about their transgender experiences. India Willoughby has attacked, attempted to smear and silence countless women speaking up against male violence, for women's rights and Safeguarding.

India Willoughby like many prominant trans activists does not understand and/or respect Safeguarding frameworks intended to protect children and vulnerable adults.

April 2018 opinion piece in Pink News written by India Willoughby:

'India Willoughby: Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'
(extract)
"We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.

Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.

The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and - wait for it - Mumsnet - are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people.

Seriously. That’s no exaggeration.

The tabloids are no surprise, but Mumsnet?

Yeah, what is supposed to be a family-friendly parenting site has it’s claws out for the trans community.

And it all feels very orchestrated.

Every Sunday, regular as clockwork, I wake up to tabloid tales warning that society as we know it will end if trans women are further accommodated into normal society. Deviant, dirty sex monsters. Mentally-ill, deluded and dangerous. A cult leading youngsters astray. It’s like being back in the 1970s with the News of the World.

Even trans kids are seen as fair game. Radio hosts warning of assaults and unwanted pregnancies because trans girls have been allowed into the Girl Guides.

What’s the problem? Girls have been in the Scouts since 1991 and the world is still spinning." (continues)
this is about male & female children sharing sleeping and intimate spaces without parental knowledge or usual Safeguards

Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.

And now we have groups of hardliners who will never accept trans women on any level, travelling the country, fanning the flames of hate.
who is this? women involved with ManFriday, WPUK, We Need To Talk, Standing for Women, Fairplay for Women, LAWS?

Last year, I attended an event with lots of other LGBT people at Downing Street, where Theresa May promised to make the lives of trans people safer and easier, with the implementation of a new Gender Recognition Act. A key point of which will be allowing trans people to legally self-identify as a man or woman, without jumping through numerous bureaucratic hoops.

I totally get why many women might have concerns about this, given there have been so many ridiculous over-the-top debates where the scenario of sex-offender in a dress is trotted out.

It just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny though. Honestly. Self-identification in no way incentivises someone to commit a sex offence. It doesn’t make it easier or more likely.

Waving a piece of paper or shouting “I’m a woman” is not going to buy any leniency from the police or courts.

Karen White?

I admit – I wasn’t convinced about self ID myself to begin with, but the evidence from around the world is irrefutable. I was categorically wrong, and fell for the hysteria.

Portugal, Ireland, Norway, Columbia, Malta, Belgium, Denmark and Argentina have or are adopting the same legislation – and there have been no spikes is assaults.

India Willoughby's position on self-id has flip flopped a number of times

Women’s areas will not become dangerous places when the Gender Recognition Act is passed. (continues)

Cabinet minister Lis Truss has now tweeted her support for Mumsnet, despite the site hosting rampant transphobia. She needs hauling in to the PM’s office – and Theresa May needs to keep her promise about protecting trans people.

And where’s Amber Rudd, the government’s Women’s and Equalities Minister, in this? What has she got to say about about this persecution of a tiny group of women? The silence is deafening.

I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too."

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

no there wasn't this was a false representation by MN intern Emma Healy

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians." (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

Our CEO has now decided that the complaints were being exploited so as to promote an inaccurate discussion of Mermaids and trans issues.

Our CEO has discovered this isn't going her way...

"They [the tweets] were allegations of serious misconduct and vile and spiteful personal attacks".

Caroline Farrow did not make any allegations of serious misconduct.

What exactly was this 'serious misconduct' that they are accusing Caroline of stating?

Susie Green seems to have realized that threatening to arrest a journalist on the basis of tweets that are now DELETED is a PR nightmare.

Bit ironic this is on their twitter....

"Our CEO wrote this herself, and you can probably tell that she's hopping mad that things aren't going the way she planned. This is probably because she's also labouring under the delusion that repeatedly telling people what she paid to have done to her effeminate child's body will improve the situation and help her gain public acceptance and personal validation for her actions."

A quick internet search for Jackie Green shows that Jackie hasn't exactly been shy about getting Jackie's name and story plastered all over the papers.

Not recently at all as far as I can see though. They did a lot of publicity stuff around 2012 time, so about 3 years after the surgery, entered Miss England, went on This Morning etc. But I can't see anything really from recently, and their twitter and Instagram is really relatively quiet and the stuff Jackie does post is just normal young person life stuff, no activism.

I don't know, Jackie coming out now and defending their Mum, telling everyone how happy they are, what a great life they have now etc would do absolute wonders for both SG and for Mermaids as a charity. I get that Jackie probably just wants to get on with their life 'as a girl' and doesn't necessarily want lots of publicity, but it seems strange there is nothing from Jackie when there was so much before.

I wonder what Jazz Jennings will be doing in 5/6/7 years time.

Blustitch

"So the police are investigating criticism of something that was an illegal act in the first place? How can that be?"

Any UK doctor prescribing so-called "cross-sex" hormones to a child under 16 years is committing an illegal act within the regulations governing medical practice.

Any UK doctor performing so-called "sex reconstruction surgery" on a child under 18 years is committing an illegal act within the regulations governing medical practice.

Because of these regulations Green took her child abroad to circumvent them. The child was taken to Boston USA for the purpose of obtaining the supply of "cross-sex hormones" at age of 11 or 12 years. Then taken to Thailand at 15 years for "sex reconstruction surgery" on 16th birthday [according to public statements made by Green].