Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

[Pimmsnlemonade]

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

There's a need for actual investigative journalism here.
Rather than simply reporting and platforming claims, counter claims & allegations.

Agreed, it's journalism 101: "If someone says it's raining & another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true."

We received an allegation on October 15 2018 in relation to a number of tweets which were posted in October 2018.

‘A thorough investigation is being carried out to establish whether any criminal offenses have taken place.

How inept are the Surrey Police that this investigation has taken SIX months. Can't imagine how they solve actual crimes involving unknown perpetrators if it takes 6 months to interview a named suspect.

Caro, I have read the tweets and agree with every word you wrote.

Its almost a pity it may not go to court, though not for you obviously. If questioning the actions of the head of a publicly funded children's charity is hate, what would be acceptable? Not least when the main qualification that person appears to have is her lived experience of raising a transgender child.

How inept are the Surrey Police that this investigation has taken SIX months

Well yes. Surely its: look at the tweet, decide if it breaks the law?

Anyone else getting a 'coersive control awards' ad (looks like a video) over there --->

littlbrowndog

You're quite right about the police hosting a Mermaids Christmas party. It was Merseyside police. Woker than woke.

twitter.com/Neverfallingfo1/status/1095321401370861568?s=20

Me 😂😂

Whoops not to you erishkgal
It was to fekko about the coercion control vid

Thanks I thought the police had close links with mermaids

It's a tad too cosy for my liking.

How inept are the Surrey Police that this investigation has taken SIX months

Or have they had a dedicated person stalking Caro's tweets and other online activities looking for supporting evidence with feet up on the desk consuming coffee and donuts in between attending diversity events?

Agreed, it's journalism 101: "If someone says it's raining & another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true."

Absolutely this.

Second article now in the Mail

"She accused me of castrating my child"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6830189/Transgender-womans-mother-hits-devout-Catholic-facing-police-probe.html

Keep talking, Susie. Let's get it out in the open.

Oh, so the tweets are now in the papers? Good, good work Susie Green. Having finally seen them, I’m so glad you made the complaint- although understanding that it was a problem for Caro. Those tweets aren’t remotely abusive, aren’t remotely aggressive, they’re factual and it’s actually a good thing that people know exactly what this receiver of lottery funding did to their own child.

OK the tone of the tweet is blunt, but is it wrong.

Susie Green is a public figure who made her child the subject of her personal profile by going to the media and giving their story.

What is important here is that this is open to public debate because there is a question over why she went abroad to do things that were not allowed here for ethical and evidence based medicine reasons.

If we are not allowed to talk about those principles and why they exist, and we want to preserve them we are in a whole world of trouble. We expose our entire medical profession and health care system to extreme lobbying by big pharma and against the interests of the public, particularly vulnerable people.

The tweet might have been about Susie Green, but in fact it's about a lot more than that. It's about lobbying and trans medicine and about wider medicine. There is a public interest in this.

This isn't like homophobia because of this. There is the risk of needless harm being caused by over zealous activism and misdiagnosis.

The idea that Susie Green can get a national platform for something as serious as that, without people questioning her and her particular case as a leading activist in this movement is nonsense. Like all politicians and activists, scrutiny of activities is part of process. Safeguarding process. Part of having a public profile.

So if we are saying that the tweet being circulated is transphobic we are actively saying that safeguarding is not applicable to trans activism. Which is bullshit.

Susie Green does not have to like that tweet. It might be blunt. It might cut deep. But it doesn't mean it is illegal or unimportant and doesn't ask ethical questions which we should all give due process and consideration to.

If that's really the tweet in question, the yes bring it on, let's have a court case. Or does Susie not have the guts to stand by her actions in court when it comes to it?

I am 100% a woman. I can show you all the documentation.

This needs to go on a T-shirt

Susie, when you castrate a child the crime isn't misgendering them

Absolutely true.
As pp said, keep talking Susie. The more you talk, the more people will see you for what you are.

I am 100% a woman. I can show you all the documentation.

Indeed, in law, India is a woman. What India is not is female. The law needs to clarify what a woman is, seeing as how the dictionary definition is problematic nowadays.

I feel a bit sorry for people like India - they have to put a lot of time and effort and cash into becoming a woman, and I expect there is a sadness that they will always be different to those of us born female. Must be a tough truth to have to face in the public eye.

I think probably what SG found hurtful was being accused of child abuse and harming her child. The misgendering was secondary. When the police looked at the tweets, however - assuming Caro's account is accurate - they thought the problem was the misgendering. Perhaps they thought the use of terms like "castration" and "abuse" were purely descriptive rather than offensive. Perhaps because they've been trained by Stonewall, they now think that misgendering and deadnaming people are the very worst things you can do to someone.

Hackmum I suspect SG did complain about the misgendering, even though the castration part was what piqued her.

There was nothing to "get" Caro for in the rest of the tweet as it was factual, so she picked on the misgendering as "hate crime".

It's not what most people will read, or react to, though.

If you use one particular case to explain to the world the truth of your ideology, then those who do not agree with your ideology will use that same case, the details of which are now in the public domain, to illustrate where the thinking behind the ideology is wrong.

If someone else's interpretation of the information that you have put out into the world is not what you would like it to be, it is not illegal.

There is some protection for someone if they are still a child, but it does not create a life-long immunity for the adults involved.

As CEO of an influential charity that has access to the Police and Westminster, Susie Green should expect her conduct to be held up to public scrutiny.

Her actions, both past and present and how they may steer the focus and aims of the charity is very relevant.

Mermaids has continuously supported a model of affirmation plus the availability of puberty blockers and CSH's at an increasingly younger age that currently allowed. They use statistically incorrect suicidé stats to justify their approach (against best advice even if provable stays were used).

They train children in schools about gender identity using outdated and frankly ludicrous stereotypes and preferences.

All of these things can be traced back to affirming SG's decisions and choices (what toys her child played with, how they knew they were a girl, the need for affirmation and intervention, the risk of suicide of drugs/surgery were not sought abroad) and this is a matter of public record because SG has chosen to make it so.

Any deviation from these goals by Mermaids undermines SG's choices and this is a critical failing for the charity because one obvious conclusion that presents itself is that the charities goal isn't to support trans children and their families but rather to use those it purports to help to validate the actions of its CEO.

"She accused me of castrating my child"

The word castration is shocking, but it is correct in this context.

I do wonder if her aversion to the word castration is because men will find it viscerally shocking. The TRA talk about ‘bottom surgery’ which sounds so cutesy, but castration as a word leaves no doubt.

Little experiment for you all. Go and have a chat with the men in your life today and use the word castration in a sentence. I bet you every man you say that will wince, and quite rightly so.

castration will catch the attention of men. and what have we said fifty million times? When this affects men, it will stop.

It is my personal view that a parent who castrates a child, or takes that child out of the UK to acquire treatment which has negative effects and is illegal here, is guilty of an offence against that child.

Surely the averagely intelligent person can work out that Caro tweeted things in the moment from her own account and reflecting her own (influenced presumably by her religious convictions) views.

This is not seeking a platform. Refusing to appear on TV to discuss a possible arrest and prosecution is not seeking a platform.

However complaing to police, appearing on TV etc seems more consistent with wanting validation and an audience.

Agree with person who said Jackie Green keeps a low profile. Jackie also spends a lot of time overseas. I wonder if Jackie wishes Susie would get a non trans related job and stop making transing more children her life's mission and fade in to the background.