Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

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twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

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Woah! - The Daily Mail article now re-edited to include shedloads of photos to show how girly "Jackie" is.

Yes, it looks like an advertisement for the Green family. They are also very soft on the whole 'got an illegal (in UK) penile inversion on 16th birthday in Thailand - which consequently became illegal there too' issue...

tangent, but why do the DM constantly refer to 'Guilford police' when Caroline's tweet correctly says 'Guildford police'? They've even copied Caroline's own wording incorrectly.

It's such a shit, shit, paper

Isn't it misgendering to suggest that this isn't FGM?

Adding my support Caro and will donate to your legal fund in the morning

It does make sense to go for the religious angle as it's covered by hate crime legislation, whereas sex is not, despite being a protected characteristic.

Problem is the fgm laws are very specifically fgm. There's no comparable law about whether it's illegal or not to take a 16yo male abroad to have his penis cut off.

What a conundrum.

It's a bit tasteless to compare this to FGM tbh. I think transing children is problematic enough without having to equate it to something that has different cultural origins. Yes of course you could draw parallels but it's its own problem.

Do we need to fight fire with fire here? Should we all be self-identifying on a daily basis and then all report misgendering (by anyone and everyone) to our local police?

The report in the telegraph was discussed on Sky press preview and both guests said it was ridiculous for the police to question Caro about misgendering. They also felt the police had better things to do.

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The Daily Mail May be a shit shit paper but at least it's reporting this unlike The Guardian

I thought the FGM comparison was a bit ott but Ottoline's post makes quite a compelling point.

Being discussed on BBC Radio 5. Barrister guest struggling to find a broken law.

I thought the FGM comparison was a bit ott

The child was castrated, not circumcised. If that isn't genital mutilation then what the fuck is?

Adam Wagner has previously tweeted in favour of GRA reform, from what I recall

If TRAs aim to reduce transphobia, then acting like tyrants and literally policing the thoughts of others seems like the wrong way to go about it... IMO, it really harms the "trans cause." I really can't see how it's helpful to make the general public worried about interacting with you, for fear you might call the police on them if they use the wrong pronoun or disagree on something...
Glad the newspapers are covering it. I think Caroline's story will gain a lot of traction.
I would encourage any transactivists who don't agree with threatening to put mothers in jail for correctly sexing a person on Twitter to speak out against this authoritarian overreach... Because if TRAs keep trying to use the state to coerce people like this, the backlash could get really ugly.

The point of my post was that this thread had changed my mind and I now agreed with the perspective of previous posters.

I don't usually post on the feminist board because whilst MN has certainly changed my views on trans issues you seem to need a degree in gender studies and/or actually be Germaine Greer to post here.

I think I'll head back to threads on traybakes tbh.

Do Guildford police cover Gatwick Airport? Did they ever find the mystery drone flyer? Or indeed confirm if there actually was a drone? Or that the drone wasn't their own drone looking for the drone?

I suppose that might be why they'd rather shelve a tricky investigation and go for a soft target who can't fly off into the blue instead.

‘I jumped from fear to denial and told Jack it was fine to be a boy who liked girly things but that did not make him a girl.

Fear of what? The wrong toys??? Denial of what? 'Girly' things? Dear god.

How is telling him it's okay to like 'girly' toys demonstrated by removing all Jack's toys???

And how fucking traumatic is that?

I don't think there is a more comprehensive way of telling your child they are the wrong sex, than removing all their toys, because they are 'incorrect' for the sex they're born.

Unfortunately for Susie Green, everything she said and did is now immortalised forever on the Internet.

Absolutely ludicrous! I don't agree with everything Caroline has said but to waste police time and resources on this is just utterly ridiculous!

It's not just trans people this will turn the general public against, they're turning the gen public against police! Which is the last thing we need right now!

They need to get their bloody priorities right! Between this and their extensive protection of rapists and paedophiles most women and girls will (if not already) start to feel they CANNOT expect the police to serve them, to protect them.

We are half the population, we have a voice, how do we use it (without making ourselves and our families) vulnerable to abuse and attacks?

I wish I were brave enough to voice this elsewhere, if it were just me to consider I'd have no problem doing so, but I have an 18 year old dd who would not cope well with the type of abuse such public statements attract.

Where is the support and protection, the REPRESENTATION for those of us that disagree with this agenda? Who want ourselves and our children respected and protected?

What the hell is happening??

Get a load of this Particularly galling after seeing this thread.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-battered-racist-attack-wait-14159122?fbclid=IwAR2UVh909krLTDNfHzX1_105a08Ss-zg74mJutHd6zerQHOLXyudgUSDcHM#source=push

Mum battered in racist attack - then has to wait four days for police to visit

Anca Piticii, who was born in Romania, was told to 'go back to your own country' as she was jumped by a gang

Good point Graphista. It used to be understood that in this country we are policed by consent. With the police increasingly pursuing priorities that are way out of line with those of the general public, we are, quite dangerously, hurtling further and further away from that being the case. Then what?

They're talking about it on LBC at the moment if anyone feels like phoning in.

What’s the general thrust of the LBC discussion, Richard?

My very quick take on it, whilst loading the dishwasher, was they thought it was a ridiculous waste of police time.