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Multiple dead in Chch NZ - Mosques targetted

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Yeahnahyeah · 15/03/2019 02:29

Heart breaking. It's 3:37pm on Friday here, and this is actually fucking happening.
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213056

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frazzledasarock · 15/03/2019 17:13

I’ve just seen Fraser Annings statement about this. Is he for real?

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 15/03/2019 17:22

That’s Australia for ya

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/03/2019 17:23

So a white immigrant from a country where white immigrants marched in and took over... attacks immigrants?

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 15/03/2019 18:00

Correct. Don’t forget, there were both Australian and New Zealand terrorists included, and your comment is relevant to both. I’ve seen people spit on my Mum on the streets of NZ, it’s not the country people say it is.

slug · 15/03/2019 18:11

Well that's nice. I've just seen one of my acquaintances alive and well and being interviewed on TV. Lovely bloke, sooo relieved to see him.

PerkingFaintly · 15/03/2019 18:15

Oh thank god, slug.

Thanks to you both.

PerkingFaintly · 15/03/2019 18:20

(And I get what you were talking about upthread – been there done that. It's awful worrying about folk on the other side of the world but not wanting to crash in and ask outright, because that feels like you're making it all about you...

So you sit and worry instead, and think "Well, if it's bad news I'll know eventually.")

MillytantForceit · 15/03/2019 18:27

Aus and NZ very different.

Under the 'White Australia' policy, Aboriginals were not counted in the census until the 1970s. They were classified as wildlife.

New Zealand is also Aotearoa, The Land of the Long White Cloud. It was not conquered but peacefully settled by agreement under the Treaty of Waitangi.

So very ironic that an immigrant claims it as a white nation.

meditrina · 15/03/2019 18:52

PeeGreen that it praises Karadzic is highly relevant

That is the conflict which spawned the term ethic cleansing, and he's the political leader of the side which carried out mass murder of Muslims.

ChattyLion · 15/03/2019 19:08

Flowers Christchurch.

PeeGreen · 15/03/2019 19:53

"PeeGreen that it praises Karadzic is highly relevant"

Ok it may or may not be completely irrelevant, in that this guy may be aware of Karadzic or not.

However the point mere is that 'Remove Kebab' is just a racist meme in the same way as 'Build The Wall' or whatever. The overwhelming majority of people who use the 'Remove Kebab' meme would not be able to name Radovan Karadzic.

OtepotiLilliane42 · 15/03/2019 21:59

Shocked to find out that Brenton Tarrant, the gunman who attacked the Christchurch mosques has been living in Dunedin,( Illyria's and my home city) since 2017. According to articles in the Otago Daily times his original intention was to attack the two mosques here, but he changed his mind.

The PM Jacinda Ardern has just held a press conference and promised that gun laws will be changed after this attack.
No talk of 'it's too soon to start talking about gun control" thank goodness.

www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/main-terror-attacker-was-dunedin-resident-pm

www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedins-muslim-community-shock

Yeahnahyeah · 15/03/2019 22:47

Complete and utter fuckwit neighbours have just let off fire works here in Chch. It's lunchtime.
Yes, they sounded very much like shots.
Yes, the police are here now. Hope they get their arses handed to them on a plate.
I hate to think how my Muslim neighbours felt.

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Yeahnahyeah · 15/03/2019 22:50

And my FB groups have reported at least 3 other incidents of people doing this in various suburbs. It's sick.

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 15/03/2019 22:55

It was not conquered but peacefully settled by agreement under the Treaty of Waitangi

That is not fucking true, I am Māori and don’t you ever say that again. We were colonised. It was not fucking peaceful, it was horrific. We lost more than half of our people. My Iwi, Te Atiawa, had our land stolen despite peaceful protest led by the first Pacifist, Te Whiti O Rongomai, our men were taken away and died either in prison in Dunedin or en route. Our women left behind were raped en masse. The Treaty was a crock of shit, and the colonisers have NEVER kept to their promises anyway. The fuck is this shit. When I started school, our language was BANNED. It’s still not on the curriculum. My Nana had her land stolen right in front of her, and they built on top of her family cemetery- my mother still cries when she goes back there.

This is part of the problem, lies and racist ignorance.

Aotearoa was STOLEN. Māori are STILL treated appallingly in an institutionally racist country. Peaceful my arse.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 15/03/2019 22:56

*@MillytantForceit

I hope you read my comment and stop spreading lies.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 15/03/2019 22:58

They had a government policy of assimilation for Christ sake, to encourage mixed marriages to breed out the ‘native race’. Are people really this ignorant? NZ WAS COLONISED.

This is why we need the land wars taught in school... oh no wait, they can’t do that because they’re too busy whitewashing history

CharlieParley · 15/03/2019 23:43

PerkingFaintly That is a great protocol. I hope we will see this adopted. Even with the media's thirst for sensationalist headlines, that protocol is achievable.

But having discussed this with an anti-terror expert, the best strategy would be no coverage of either perpetrators or victims in any depth. Acknowledge the incident, yes, and then move on. Because focusing on the victims nonetheless amplifies the perpetrators' success - they set out to spread fear and terrorise by killing defenceless people and the more stories there are about the victims, the more attention is drawn to the fact that they did indeed succeed in killing.

The Samaritans guidelines on suicide reporting are based on a similar approach and they are effective (measurably so).

But I don't think that the media is ever going to give up on all of their sensationalist headlines when it comes to this issue. So that protocol would be a huge step in the right direction.

heresyisthenewblack · 16/03/2019 00:40

Flowers for everyone affected by this atrocity. Thoughts are with Christchurch.

MadCatEnthusiast · 16/03/2019 00:52

The missing persons list is heartbreaking. It’s one thing to find out a loved one has been killed by the attacker(s), it’s another thing to not know especially children.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/03/2019 01:51

I don’t believe you can ever call colonisation “peaceful”, because it always means the forcible removal of land and resources from indigenous inhabitants to a more ruthless and powerful force.

Treaties, if they exist, are always after the fact, when there’s no choice about it. It’s why the metaphor of colonialism is so powerful when talking about women’s oppression; because the right to say no has already been pre-emoted by a stronger force.

This narrative of, as one newspaper, put it this morning, “the broken white man”, has to be taken apart. White men have committed the majority of mass shootings in about forever. It’s not about individual frustration, it’s systemic terrorism perpetrated by the patriarchy. In the same way rape is the perpetuation of female oppression, with individual men acting as the shock troops of that oppression.

Until we confront male terrorism and stop banging on lone wolves, the closer we might be to understanding it. And understanding it not as separate acts of outrage but as a campaign of violence and fear.

That’s my academic thoughts. My other thoughts are contemplation an off-shore solution for men, because right now, despite the nice men I know, the biggest threat to the planet, women and children, are people with penises.

Backwoodsgirl · 16/03/2019 02:43

Sad day, NZ has pretty good gun laws, and low gun ownership.

Bad people do bad things regardless

teyem · 16/03/2019 06:39

What's your definition of low gun ownership Backwood?

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 16/03/2019 07:01

Backwoodsgirl

Again, that’s not true. 96% of guns in NZ are not registered, as it’s not required. We have one of the worst gun laws of a developed nation actually, that’s why this happened. That’s why the PM has finally said they’re going to change after this.

teyem · 16/03/2019 07:10

I was mistaken earlier, there are 26 guns/ 100 people in NZ. Although people need a gun license most individual guns do not have to be registered. This means that a civilian can have A LOT of guns. Semi-automotic guns can be legally bought and sold.

On the Stuff, Police Association President Chris Cahill said, "The bitter irony with this alleged perpetrator in Christchurch is he would not have been able to buy the weapons he had in his home country of Australia, because immediately after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996 the then Prime Minister John Howard acted swiftly to ban semi-automatic weapons and Australians were with him.”

Now, I understand that some farmers will feel they have a legitimate right to own a gun but given that there's nothing more sinister than a rabbit or a Kea in NZ, then the scale and style of gun ownership could be revised, no?

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