Multiple dead in Chch NZ - Mosques targetted

[Yeahnahyeah]

Heart breaking. It's 3:37pm on Friday here, and this is actually fucking happening.
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213056

Such a dreadful massacre. My heart goes out to all the innocent victims and their families.

Jessica I was in total ignorance about your history. White NZ has pulled some PR coup there. Will set about correcting that now.

Now, I understand that some farmers will feel they have a legitimate right to own a gun but given that there's nothing more sinister than a rabbit or a Kea in NZ, then the scale and style of gun ownership could be revised, no?

Yes, PM has said it will change, they’ve tried before. My father owns rifles, he has zero need for them. Nobody needs to hunt. For everyone else’s protection, I hope the law changes mirror Australia’s gun laws.

RedLemonade

Thanks. Yes they have. They don’t even teach this part of NZ history in school. But there’s no doubt we were colonised by the British & Irish. There are some great books on it, I’m reading a new one, Te Whiti O Rongomai & The Resistance of Parihaka by Danny Keenan- my Nan was born and raised for first few years at Parihaka. Parihaka is most famous because of the pacifist leadership, but also the scale of the land taken and people murdered and raped- we only got an official sorry for that in 2017! But land confiscation and death was all over NZ, the land wars ought to get taught.

I’m thinking of everyone in Christchurch right now, all the little kiddies who must be very afraid and for those who had their loved ones taken... it’s so so tragic.

he's an eco-communist who sees China as the ideal. The far left are awful, i feel like all the press saying don't read his manifesto are doing so in order to gaslight us into thinking left = acceptance, right = racist even in the age of labour anti-semetism. those poor people, the press are acting exactly how the shooter wanted and predicted, we need to all calm down.

New Zealand is also Aotearoa, The Land of the Long White Cloud. It was not conquered but peacefully settled by agreement under the Treaty of Waitangi.

Tell that to a Maori. They may not share your view.

Well I'd love to discuss it but since I've been told to shut up and sworn at, we shall leave it at that.

Goodbye.

You were spreading racist lies, you were told to stop spreading them. If you want to apologise and learn, nobody is stopping you. But you’d have to have lived in a bubble to not know about the colonisation of NZ. So your comment got exactly the response you deserved, and I won’t allow you to come on here and play the victim after you massively insulted Māori people.

Feel free to apologise at any time.

Why is this thread focusing on so many other things than the victims ?

Because that’s how terrorim works - it tries to pitch pitch against each other’s, opens old wounds and revives past intolerances and atrocities.

This is their hateful goal.

So I want to bring it back to focusing on the victims and what could be done to not let them die in vein. Plz.

My family members go to mosque every Friday and Nesrly escaped mosque attacks twice. I would like to know that if this happens and we end up losing them that there will be a fruitful positive change instead of their deaths being used as an excuse to argue personal views.

49 lives is a lot

So I want to bring it back to focusing on the victims and what could be done to not let them die in vein. Plz.

And that doesn't involve a consideration for gun crime, male violence, extremism and racism?

And that doesn't involve a consideration for gun crime, male violence, extremism and racism?

It does. Didn’t mean yourself. There is a lot of focus by some pp on here on things that divert the attention. Which quite trivialises the real issue here.

Which terrorist organization was the perpetrator from? I haven't heard any take responsibility.

Is it not possible that he was a self organised terrorist, not particularly associated with one group?

Apparently one of the victims greeted the shooter saying "Hello brother" and he was gunned. An elderly Afghan community leader threw himself before others to protect them. Some real heroes. All lives taken too soon. Horrible act to creep up on people whilst they are praying.
Will Australia strip Tarrant of his citizenship? Or is that a racist move applying only to non-whites? The terrorist had an issue with invaders. Australia, NZ and USA are not originally lands belonging to European people.

*And that doesn't involve a consideration for gun crime, male violence, extremism and racism?

It does. It’s essential to have a wider discussion so as to understand how these things happen

JessicaWakefieldSVH It is surely not the country people say it is. I have experienced racism from them also. I would love the traditional owners of the land to occupy areas of power and have more input into how the country is run

It does. Didn’t mean yourself. There is a lot of focus by some pp on here on things that divert the attention. Which quite trivialises the real issue here.

Is that directed at myself? As an indigenous New Zealander who has tried for my entire life to get other kiwis talking about our issues with racism and violence, I absolutely reserve the right to respond to mistruths about my country that are spread by racism, and to discuss why these things happen. Events like this are horrific and they open a lot of wounds for people like myself. That is not trivial. I’ve lost people to violence too.

It may be the goal to pit people against each other, but to try and limit this conversation and imply an indigenous person is derailing, is incredibly rude. I’m not sure how many of you are kiwi, but I would hope other kiwis understand why we need to have these discussions. My thoughts are always with victims, but for those of us who have been victims of racism for a long time, I think it’s ok to touch in it in a thread that was discussing gun laws and the whys and how’s.

Improve12

Thank you. It’s also important to understand that a lot of Māori and Polynesian have converted to Islam, they were victims also. One of those who survived has had his photo all over media and he’s wearing a traditional bone carving.

My family members go to mosque every Friday and Nesrly escaped mosque attacks twice. I would like to know that if this happens and we end up losing them that there will be a fruitful positive change instead of their deaths being used as an excuse to argue personal views

I’m so sorry to hear this. Fighting racism shouldn’t be dismissed as a ‘personal view’. Aotearoa is my country. Polynesians were involved. Please don’t take my refusal to allow racism on this thread as in any way a lack of recognition for the victims in this incident. This hasn’t sprung up from nowhere. It’s important to acknowledge that.

The victims have begun to be identified, link here.

Also, please note a second fund has been set up as the traffic and donations crashed the give a little, although it appears to be working again. I’ll find details of the second fund.

i.stuff.co.nz/national/111329984/christchurch-shootings-terrorist-attack-new-zealand-livestream-christ-church-mosque-muslims-christ-church-brenton-tarrant-nz-live-updates

Second fund here, you can at the moment still donate through the original one:

www.everydayhero.co.nz/event/christchurch-shooting

If there was a derailment it started with this comment New Zealand is also Aotearoa, The Land of the Long White Cloud. It was not conquered but peacefully settled by agreement under the Treaty of Waitangi which is irrelevant to the topic . I can see why posters refuted it.

It has long struck me that anti- racist campaigns and movements rarely, if at all, take cognisance of indigenous peoples.

LassOfFyvie thank you. This thread has really upset me. NZ has been a white supremacist country since colonisation. The fact many Polynesians convert to Islam because Christianity represents colonisation, is known by supremacists.

If you can, please keep donations coming. They’ll need extra security at mosques etc and ongoing living expenses and support

You could say that Islam is a religion of colonialism also. Just because it wasn’t ‘their’ colonialists doesn’t make it less so.