Linford Christie's reaction

[Mankyfoot]

C'mon Linford

You can say transwomen are men. HQ want to help the discussion flow, and that's part of the discussion.

When you are referring to specific people, it's a lot trickier. You can still say male bodied, as it's the pivotal point. But you can't misgender with pronouns.

I'm not sure if you can say so and so is male born. I think you can if it is absolutely pertinent to your points, and the rest of the post wasn't gratuitously manning people up.

I think the point they're making is knowing these people are male/men is part of the entire discussion, and so has to be included. But not for specific people, and not gratuitously as a ner ner.

Yep! That

We can all pussy foot around the rules and say that transwomen are men, male bodied, males.

We just cannot misgender a specific transwoman, cos we is polite, feminine, playing up to our gender stereotypes, no matter what the provocation!

Learn the rules, play the game... we all know what you mean! As do 'They'

Sticking to biological truth, and avoiding pronouns is generally OK.

Posts do occasionally get deleted by one mod when another wouldn't, they're human. Imperfect, but much better than eg twitter AI!

Yes, I find the misgendering thing a fine line to tread too.

Like, it's OK to misgender Karen White or Jacinta Brooks because they have abused women and are criminals. But it's not ok to misgender Paris Lees or Shon Faye, who have both said misogynistic stuff and can be quite unpleasant towards women who don't agree with them.

So there is this sliding scale of who and who isn't worth of their 'chosen' pronouns. I don't get it really.

*Worthy

So there is this sliding scale of who and who isn't worth of their 'chosen' pronouns.

I find this extremely patronising towards the trans people themselves, actually. It's like a pat on the bloody head.

I just go with initials mostly, to avoid deletions.

What a pathetic, cowardly response from the BBC re Karen White, SarahJ.

This just demonstrates the contempt they have, at the highest levels, for rape victims and actual women.

What kind of organisation could think that reply is acceptable...

There's definitely a selectiveness to who can be misgendered, and I assume it comes from those who report posts. I always refer to KW as 'he' and those comments haven't been deleted. In a recent thread about the exploitation of a child drag queen, posts or links were deleted for merely linking to a video whose comments included misgendering language (there may have been other 'offences', but the topic of the thread was the video, not the comments posted underneath it on an external site).

The selectivity suggests that the people assiduously reporting posts don't really believe in 'acceptance without exception' at all.

I haven't read the full thread yet but presumably it's been spotted by someone else that John Regis is in there too?

Maybe UK athletics need to realise people like me will no longer pay to go to stadia to watch athletics, if it's to watch no talent beta men steal glory from hard working girls. Absolutely. Athletics is a spectator sport.

So true. Who wants to watch sport like that

Do you think enough people will actually stop watching? Because plenty of paying public watch men who beat or rape women play sport. Will males actually participating as women be the point at which the public stop in large enough numbers? Or will feminists be lone voices, again?

*Sarahj
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Tee heee!!!!!!!

Do you think enough people will actually stop watching? Because plenty of paying public watch men who beat or rape women play sport. Will males actually participating as women be the point at which the public stop in large enough numbers? Or will feminists be lone voices, again? You really don't get it, do you.

But not being invited to the White House was about racism and a still segregated America. It had nothing to do with a perception that Jesse Owen's abilities and successes as an athlete were inherently unfair because he was a black man.

I saw Oona King give a talk once about how male MPs were up in arms about the introduction of all women shortlists & said she used to point out they didn’t seem to have a problem with single sex shortlists for the last 500+ years when it was all men.

You really don't get it, do you.

I’m sorry, what am I not getting??? Ffs I asked a genuine question. Don’t be rude. A lot of women will object to males taking our places in sport. Just like a lot of women object to men getting away with hurting us and then repeating their country/region. But will enough stop paying and watching, to actually impact decisions?

representing their country/region

it's they or initials/name or person for me.

Same here.

A lot of women will object to males taking our places in sport. I think most people both male and female would object to that. The pundits on athletics programmes would find it almost impossible to comment without discomfort.
Just like a lot of women object to men getting away with hurting us and then repeating their country/region. You're implying that most top flight sportmen are evil abusers. Which is a bit unfair.

"You're implying that most top flight sportmen are evil abusers. Which is a bit unfair."

I don't think (or at least I hope not) Jessica was insinuating that many or all top flight sportsmen behave like this, but it never ceases to amaze me how quickly they are accepted back into the fold when they transgress against women.
Ryan Giggs was having an affair with his brother's wife, his family virtually disowned him and yet he won BBC SPOTY in 2009, despite not winning anything at international level, the same year that Jensen Button won the F1 championship. Football is absolutely littered with such cases, the worst being the Ched Evans case, and the appalling death and rape threats which Jess Ennis Hill suffered in connection with it.
The clubs and fans ignore any wrongdoing, very often the BBC and other media are just as bad.

Jessica the point is that they wouldn't be going to watch a comparatively even top rank contest as they do now. You either have one person who is streets ahead of everyone else so no contest, or the "women's" events are just 3rd rankers who couldn't make it in the men's classes. Think Man Utd turning up to a local amateur football tournament (foregone conclusion), or expecting thousands and thousands of people coming to watch a couple of Sunday park teams playing (much less interest).

I certainly wouldn't pay to watch a very one sided race, or a low level race unless I had a personal interest in one of the competitors.