Use of "cis"

[notwokeup]

What are your opinions on the use of cis? I have to say I hate it. It feels like an unnecessary prefix to me.

However, a young trans woman has just started at my work, and insists on referring to cis women (rarely cis men). Because of the work, I am loathe to say anything as I know that I would be in trouble. I have no problem using their preferred pronouns she/her, and she is a lovely person, although young (20) and quite naive. Yet I cringe every time she refers to women as cis.

No, smotheroffive, but retrospective modding means that they go by reports. If someone reports your post and it's decided it goes against guidelines, it's gone, but if no one reports, they dont search infractions out.

But I'm really lost and feel u can't speak now

I'm not allowed to say the truth anymore, I didn't think MN were supportive of that

He is really, really angry and upset that I will not let him call me a ciswoman but that conversation just made me so angry.

He is angry and upset that you don't wish to be defined by what you are not, and be assumed to basically agree with stereotypes and such..eg. you can avoid sexism if you just opt out of being a woman, problem solved!

Fuck that shit.

some 'woke' friends a while back were kicking off about 'obvious cis people saying they aren't cis to be awkward and bigoted'. I was like, what on earth, thought we weren't meant to question peoples identity so how are they 'obviously cis' and that. No answers. Same woke (male) friends I have ever only heard/seen say cis man once and that was only after being pulled up on saying ciswoman so often in a 'I call non trans men cismen too' type way, rather than the usual sneering 'ciswomen know nothing and are bigoted vagina fetishists' was that cis is pushed onto us..

Part of my degree involves some of this actual science and biology!! Actual real biology, that my post has been deleted for!

Yes, smother, I know, and plenty of us don't really understand why MN allows this deliberate stifling of women's voices. But it speaks for itself that so many women get deleted for saying things which are simply factual, because they hurt some men's feelings. But I'm certainly not asking you to feel happy about it, just explaining how it operates.

Yes it’s frustrating but I’d warn others not to complain too much as that can backfire...

Indeed.

some 'woke' friends a while back were kicking off about 'obvious cis people saying they aren't cis to be awkward and bigoted

I'm sure it does irk them that they haven't got a leg to stand on there.

some 'woke' friends a while back were kicking off about 'obvious cis people saying they aren't cis to be awkward and bigoted

I'm sure it does irk them that they haven't got a leg to stand on there.

Yes, it clearly really makes people who demand complete personal autonomy of identification, and complete obedience from others about it, very angry indeed when you operate by the same logic.

Almost like this is nothing at all to do with liberation, freedom and human rights, and everything to do with coercion, control and privilege...

Apols thought it hadn't gone through

If no-one contributing on this thread has complained about me, which I can't honestly seeing a fellow female doing, there's men lurking and complaining.

I didn't realise MN were shutting this down too.

This is the bit of the TGs.....

I be deleted for saying 'male women' or 'male transperson' or 'male person', or for including them as part of the male population?
We'll continue to make decisions on a case-by-case basis, taking tone and context into account. We'd be unlikely to delete if it's said in the context of a civil discussion of biology.
If it’s used on principle rather than to express a specific point, we’d likely delete it on the basis that it undermines civil debate.
If it's said with the apparent intention of belittling an individual, we'd likely take the view that had progressed beyond a discussion of facts/biology and towards a personal attack.

Isn't it always about the biology....as it actually is biology!!!

How can it not be?!?!

The word “cis” as a prefix makes my teeth itch.

Smotheroffive

My iPhone kept trying to autocorrect your name to Smother Office, ha.

I have had posts deleted here too, try not to take it personally. I love the great discussion here, and though I am neither a mum or in UK, I appreciate reading the perspectives and experiences of the women here, many who have been more directly affected than I have by “woke policies” (but I of course am in the country McKinnon originates from so there is that, and lots of other “wokeness” happening here too). Sometimes you have to do a bit of language acrobatics to keep within TG here but I am so glad so many here persevere in order to keep the issues on the radar. I admit I do like that on the GC subreddit though I don’t have to do so much self-editing and can let the words flow a bit easier!

Sorry to be ignorant,severalpeople have used the verb ‘woke’ on this thread. What does this actually mean in this context?

Petal - "woke" is the new young person euphemism that means like, properly PC, leftist, correct in all things, etc.

They had to stop saying transsexuals because the new generation often doesn't have any surgery at all. My spouse doesn't, but got a legal transition and gender change on ID, legal protections, etc. No medical work done AT ALL.

Woke
Always makes me think of Egg Yolk.
Eggs do actually smell like farts when cooked. You can't say it though.

They had to stop saying transsexuals because the new generation often doesn't have any surgery at all. My spouse doesn't, but got a legal transition and gender change on ID, legal protections, etc. No medical work done AT ALL.

Yes. Also, it would be difficult to call children transsexual.

If someone reports your post and it's decided it goes against guidelines, it's gone

Oh yeah, they are ALL OVER FWR just waiting to report anything they can. They HATE the fact we can say things they don't like (i.e. the truth). It drives them demented!

I've found it very useful to periodically save threads as pdfs when you know it's something they're really going to dislike (again, the truth). That way the content remains and can be displayed and discussed in all the places they don't even realise we have....

Oh yeah, they are ALL OVER FWR just waiting to report anything they can. They HATE the fact we can say things they don't like (i.e. the truth). It drives them demented!

And I LOVE it that this thread exists to counteract the prevailing narrative that is trying to normalise the word.

"Cis", "cisgender" and "assigned at birth" need to be abolished. But they won't go easily.

I just googled the word cis. Every single link that comes up on the first page defends the word, uses the term "assigned at birth".
This means that people who hear it for the first time, looking up in order to understand, will find that explanation... and I think, I hope, it will set them on the road to peak trans.

I know that when i first heard it many years ago, bandied about by my woke American friends, I was puzzled and put off, but said nothing; it just totally went against the grain. I instinctively rejected it.

But looking back, that initial unease with the word which I believe most ordinary non-woke women will feel was the start of my journey into GC. So that Google page is probably a good thing, if annoying. Most women KNOW they are women without a prefix.
And all mothers know whether their baby is a boy or a girl.

Yes, even those with "theybies" (which seems to be the new developing trend).

You're only cis if you identify as cis.
That label can't be forced upon us.

Imagine if I tried to label someone as trans, just because of their appearance, even when they repeatedly told me they didn't identify as trans. There'd be hell up.

I've read the definition of trans - and I fit it to a tee -

I'm a female trans woman (by woke terminology at least), the definition is clear as day.

For the rest of us, I'm just a woman.

I've read the definition of trans - and I fit it to a tee

Don’t we all!!!