Observer: Trans model Munroe Bergdorf says she feels threatened by other women

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www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/10/transgender-model-threat-from-women

“I don’t feel safe because of other women,” Bergdorf said to the Women of the World audience. “That’s really weighing heavily on me.”

The mixed-race former L’Oréal model also said she had “dreaded” attending the event due to the threat she detects from “cisgender” females – those women who were assigned their gender at birth.

What does those women who were assigned their gender at birth mean Observer?

MB does not approve of current discussions re male bodied people competing in women's sport. MB feels 'threatened' by women and says there is no threat to women from transwomen.... well, where to start. Male violence, see also transcrimeuk.com.

Amazes me that those who wish to live as if they had been born a woman lack insight into the lives of women (born women).

Can we just be very clear sighted about what is in view here? The women Munroe is referencing are women who say no, sometimes politely, sometimes rudely, but always just 'no' to Munroe and people like Munroe.

Those are the women that Munroe, in Munroe's 30 second aside while pushing Munroe's book about transformation, says make Munroe feel unsafe.

Now, taking the suggestion to leave Munroe out of the focus, why would a left leaning paper choose to zero in on this quote about poor ickle Munroe's strange insecurities? And does Munroe actually have a problem with being presented as such a delicate flower that women openly saying NO makes Munroe wilt?

The question everyone needs to be asking is Why is women saying NO a threat to anyone, and why would we take such a complaint seriously in the first place?

Nicely put ^

Loraline the reason journalists report the response to an organisers question is because they know the 'planted question' is often designed to allow the speaker to say somethîng too controversial for the main talk and it looks like they are just being 'honest'

Another way of looking at that is the audience were all being manipulated by MB

Protect MB from who or what though?

I think it was a call for women to criticise the non compliant women. Rather than driving a wedge between women and male transpeople, MB and others are driving a wedge between women.

The question everyone needs to be asking is Why is women saying NO a threat to anyone, and why would we take such a complaint seriously in the first place?

This.

This really would be like me declaring myself disabled, when I am perfectly able bodied, and going all out with a wheelchair, maybe slurring my speech or whatever other 'disabled person' stereotype I can think of. And then demanding a blue badge so I can park in disabled spaces, use disabled toilets, join groups designed for disabled people and telling everyone that out of all the people with disabilities, I am the most hard done by because people don't accept me as a 'real' disabled person.

Then when people are anything less than fawning over me at an event for people with disabilities, telling the world that I am 'scared' of disabled people.

The question everyone needs to be asking is Why is women saying NO a threat to anyone and why would we take such a complaint seriously in the first place

Absolutely this, I'm considerably smaller than MB so the only threat they face from me is hurty feelings because I'm saying NO, and despite every effort by the TRAs it's not illegal for women tom say NO

Just noticed this morning on Twitter that she is saying she’s been misrepresented

mobile.twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1104920605235793920

Mb isn't threaten by women, mb really means that mb is losing control over women.

This.

Just noticed this morning on Twitter that she is saying she’s been misrepresented

Naturally.

I have watched the speech on Instagram that Munroe thinks was taken out of context.

Munroe says that they feel sad that this is the first time they have felt worried about going to women's events because of hostility. Munroe reckons this hostility is because they press are writing horrible articles about trans people. At no time does Munroe acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, there is hostility because Munroe keeps writing shit on twitter about how women's events which centre female reproductive systems are 'exclusionary', or writing articles about how women are getting feminism wrong. Oh no, it couldn't be anything to do with that Munroe could it, its always someone else's fault isn't it, no self reflection needed whatsoever.

Munroe also says that there is 'no evidence' to suggest that transwomen are a danger to women. Now apart from the fact that I believe there is evidence to suggest that transwomen commit crime at the same rate as men, there is still no one who can answer the question of when a transwomen comes out of the high risk category of 'male' and actually becomes a low risk female? At what stage in 'transition' does this happen? As soon as they say 'I'm a woman'? No, love.

Also, Jude Kelly, the organiser of the event starts off by talking to Munroe about what a 'sad thing' it is that Munroe now has concerns about going into women's spaces. She puts 'women's' spaces into air quotes as she says it. Nice touch

Oh, the video is on Munroe's Instagram, anyone should be able to see it by googling
Sorry, I worry about linking to Twitter or Insta or FB in case I accidentally link to my own page or something!

Also, Jude Kelly, the organiser of the event starts off by talking to Munroe about what a 'sad thing' it is that Munroe now has concerns about going into women's spaces. She puts 'women's' spaces into air quotes as she says it.

How strange that this context wasn't given to us by the attendee of the event on this thread.

Colour me shocked.

Yes, air quotes around "women's spaces" is magnificently dismissive. What's Jude Kelly sceptical about, which is what air quotes indicate? The idea of women having spaces? The idea of there actually being people you can call women?

Fuck those air quotes.

Pop quiz - who is scariest? Women who don’t want to pee next to people with penises or this ‘woman’?

pjmedia.com/trending/nypd-searches-for-racist-hate-crime-suspect-who-attacked-subway-riders-with-mace/

Amazing that wherever MB goes, they give birth to an absolute shitberg of nonsensical, victim-based bleatings about their incredible journey to realising their innate, supposed womanhood. All whilst seemingly having no idea what a woman really is, or might experience, or which sex might really pose a threat to women and trans women. Hmm.

Just noticed this morning on Twitter that she is saying she’s been misrepresented

For someone, who as far as I can gather is a media personality, MB has a lot of problems expressing themselves in the media.

Yes, air quotes around "women's spaces" is magnificently dismissive. What's Jude Kelly sceptical about, which is what air quotes indicate? The idea of women having spaces? The idea of there actually being people you can call women?

Yes, she's either shocked at the idea of women's spaces, or the concept of women.

Or she's just trying to set up an opportunity for MB to complain about women not doing what MB wants them to do.

It seems to me that where there’s nothing coherent underneath the collage, misrepresentation is inevitable.

The “threat” of women saying No, is that transwomen are women, doncha know. And saying No to them is literal violence and causes suicide.

Because feminists are sooooooooo violent. I mean, we’ve got form: all those poor old bras we burnt.

Will no one think of the poor old bras?

Munroe says that they feel sad that this is the first time they have felt worried about going to women's events because of hostility

Perhaps she needs to read a book (Revolutionary idea) about women’s history. Specifically about the Cat and Mouse Act, aimed at suffragettes. Or maybe a first-hand historical account of said suffragettes being force-fed.

Munroe Bergdorf.Has.No.Idea.About what it is is to be a woman. No fucking idea.

You have to be fully woke to attend Kelly's Festival.

During the day on Friday 8 March and Saturday 9 March 2019 WOW will present What Now? and What Next?, led by Kelly. The events will look at the current state of the nation for women and girls, and then ask what the future looks like. In WOW presents: What Now? inspirational speakers, performers and thinkers will look at the ideas that matter to women and girls (cisgender, transgender and gender non-binary) and the men and boys who support them, from the toughest realities, to the greatest triumphs, in a world that is changing very quickly through politics, technology and cultural norms. It will look at everything from violence and money to wellbeing, to what it means to live with sexism and racism, disability, homophobia and transphobia. Kelly and guests will look at what women all over the world, from Cardiff to Karachi, Bradford to Baltimore and Australia to the Americas care about most, right now.

Kelly and guests will look at what women all over the world, from Cardiff to Karachi, Bradford to Baltimore and Australia to the Americas care about most, right now.

But only as long as those women agree with her. Any woman who doesn't agree with her can fuck off apparently. Especially a woman who wants to keep

inspirational speakers, performers and thinkers will look at the ideas that matter to women and girls (cisgender, transgender and gender non-binary) and the men and boys who support them

Note how it's men and boys with no qualifiers, but women and girls (cisgender, transgender and gender non-binary)

Tiresome.

"Other" women?

Perhaps Burgdorf does not like being around women. Full stop.

Burgdorf has been sacked twice (once by L'Oreal and once by the Labour party) for making racist comments.

Now they're making misogynist comments.

Burgdorf, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.