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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Opting out of trans and LGB lessons

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SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:00

My daughter is objecting to her school making her do LGBT sessions this month. She does not want to go to school for that week. She doesn't see why she has to learn about it, believes you can love whoever you want to love, be whoever you want to be but that you can't change sex.
Can see object or rather me on her behalf? Or maybe a better question is how I can get her to make the most of these sessions.

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TemporaryPermanent · 07/03/2019 17:06

Ask her what she is worried about? If she feels strongly about a subject, hearing information about it can't hurt her. If she hears factually wrong things she could challenge them, but she doesn't have to. Reassure her and encourage her to attend?

SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:07

That's the approach I'm trying. She can't miss school for a week no matter how strongly she feels.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:09

I’d ask why and listen. I’m guessing she is fed up to the back teeth of rainbows and unicorns. Who is taking the classes - if it’s outsiders check who they are - if it’s teacheds ask where they got their info/training from.

I’d object to specific LGB(stuff the T) lessons unless it was just a part of sex-Ed. It seems a bit heavy handed to focus purely on homosexuality and not heterosexuality/health/safety/relationships etc.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:10

A whole week? God almighty havent they got some education to attend to?

SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:13

It's assemblies and tutor sessions mainly and teachers have the option of working the subject into their lessons. Sessions are by regular teaching staff and specifically lgbt staff.
Information from stonewall and others but not mermaids or all sorts.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:13

Stonwwall? I’d be out then. And a whole week - why? Who decided this took priority over an education?

EyesAreNeverClosing · 07/03/2019 17:14

I'd encourage her to go and just listen. It's not a subject with an exam at the end where she has to state that a man can become a woman, if that's what they're going to teach. So far there's been nothing like that at my sons school in lessons so it probably won't be an issue anyway. But if it is she's still entitled to her own thoughts.

ValWiggin · 07/03/2019 17:14

Making the most of the sessions could be an excellent oportunity for critical thinking. Of the material presented:
What is fact?
What is assertion?
What can be evidenced?
What is a belief?
Are there arguments built to support or oppose a position?
How are these arguments built?
Do they stand up to scrutiny?

etc.

SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:14

The proud trust is the main charity.

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EyesAreNeverClosing · 07/03/2019 17:16

Stonwwall? I’d be out then. And a whole week - why? Who decided this took priority over an education

There's no way it a whole week of 6 hours a day, probably just assemblies.

SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:17

Sorry trying to referee a cranky 4 year old and answer.

They incorporate lgbt+ month into one week and is part of personal social etc education.

Dd is 12 and is in year 7.

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BickerinBrattle · 07/03/2019 17:17

How old is she? If she’s old enough to take good notes, I’d encourage her to go and take a LOT of them.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:19

She’d 12 - poor kid. I still fail to understand why this is being built into a week of school.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:20

I’m just incredulous that it’s a bloody month of something that does not exactly help in GCSE.

School is there for you to learn.

MillytantForceit · 07/03/2019 17:24

Any word from the Biology Dept on all this gendered brain crap?

EyesAreNeverClosing · 07/03/2019 17:27

There's loads of things at secondary that aren't for GCSE directly Especially in tutor time and assemblies. My nephew recently had a talk on crime, not really going to help him pass a GCSE but very worthwhile.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/03/2019 17:42

I’m all for ‘treat people with respect, people live all sorts of lifestyles and as long as they don’t hurt anyone/aren’t illegal...’ but to weave LGBT into a whole week - and the emphasis these days is on T?

RepealTheGRA · 07/03/2019 17:58

Send her as a spy. If she’s taught opinions as facts send it to the papers.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/03/2019 18:01

You could explain that this is an excellent opportunity to learn how to think and analyse the content critically.

Each day choose 3 things she felt were fair points and 3 she did not agree with.

And why.

If she wishes to dismantle the patriarchy, it's best to understand how it's being built.

Also, the LGB aspects should be interesting. I did see a great lesson on stonewall's website on Frida Kahlo.

Sort the wheat from the chaff.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/03/2019 18:02

(Disclaimer; I didn't look at the lesson in great detail but I did learn some bits about her I didn't know.)

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/03/2019 18:04

Oh and 3 things she wants to learn more about.

RedHoodGirl · 07/03/2019 18:17

My DD had similar in year 7. As mentioned by some others, it’ll just be during the half an hour of form time and the weekly assembly, so not much really. It more than just LGBT and extends to other areas as well, like keeping yourself safe in relationships and online - so definitely relevant. Teaching about diversity is more about recognising and appreciating differences and acceptance of everyone. If it’s threaded into other classes it’ll most likely be science, where they might cover biology etc. I honestly wouldn’t worry, and would encourage your DD to go, listen and ask questions if she has any?

kesstrel · 07/03/2019 18:22

Is it possible she is worried about having to "participate" in activities, for example small groups where she might have to conceal her views for fear of being labelled transphobic? That kind of activity happens a lot in schools.

Lulapointless · 07/03/2019 18:25

My DD has been told there is no right to be withdrawn from these classes as it it not sex education. She is doing a block of lessons and says they are all about T and not LGB but described as being LGBT. Pupils will be excluded if they don't engage appropriately.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/03/2019 18:31

I did see a great lesson on stonewall's website on Frida Kahlo.

Hasn't she been retrospectively transed?

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