Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence

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www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

"To summarize, GIDS launched a study to administer experimental drugs to children suffering from gender dysphoria. Between 2010 and 2014, puberty blockers were given to 50 children. This study yielded only one published scientific article on outcomes. It showed no evidence for the effectiveness of GnRHa: there was no statistically significant difference in psychosocial functioning between the group given blockers and the group given only psychological support. In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on GnRHa children reported greater self-harm, and that girls experienced more behavioural and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria. Yet the study has been used to justify rolling out this drug regime to several hundred children aged under 16. Almost five years after the last patient was enrolled in the experiment, there is no evidence to substantiate Carmichael’s claim ‘that the results thus far have been positive’."

Its a whole other level of disturbing. I thought I couldn’t be shocked anymore.

Sackrifice, sometimes it takes them a while to answer queries re deletions but it is strange for yours to be removed. Why the heck did anyone report if?

Why the heck did anyone report if?

#NoDebate

So much food for thought here.

That early mermaids website actually sounded like a lot of sense.

'not in the spirit of civil debate'.

Interesting.

Really, sackrifice? Do you think it was your comment that wasn't 'civil', or are we not allowed to discuss Tranzwear packers for under 5 yr olds?

Hmmm well it’s icky, but why can’t we share and discuss it. Disturbing doesn’t mean it shouldn’t or can’t be part of civil debate

"'Penis packers' for three and four-year-olds have been the subject of threads before. It's absolutely abhorrent.

And they look like mini versions of male penises.

A lot of them are made by the same companys who make prepubescent sex dolls, (often only the torso).

Talking of prepubescent sex dolls....

A controversy has been brewing about the main UK provider of psychotherapy to people who are sexually interested in children, StopSo.

Juliet Grayson, the founder of StopSo claims that paedophiles should be provided with child sex dolls.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-charity-criticised-after-calling-13422072

Talking of Juliet Grayson
She pops up in this link to BASEUK that I posted earlier in the thread
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130427065018/www.baseuk.org/static.aspx?pg=AdvisoryBoard&m=aboutus" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20130427065018/www.baseuk.org/static.aspx?pg=AdvisoryBoard&m=aboutus

She certainly keeps interesting company

The Russian state propaganda channel RT featured a piece on Juliet Grayson's charity StopSo

I think that if Grayson's methods are effective in stopping sexual offences against children it would be a wonderful thing. It would very helpful if paedophiles engaged with a piece of plastic rather than abuse children. I do not believe there is any proof or evidence that such methods work. They make make things worse.

I am unconvinced that any of the therapies provided by StopSo prevents people from sexually abusing children.

The only thing that stops people who are determined to abuse children from abusing children is stopping all access to children.

I don’t think having a mannequin to practise on (because face it, that’s what it is) will help - I suspect it would make things worse as the cycle of sexual gratification is a powerful one.

Are you one of those who stand up for your concerns for others and refuse to continue with the experiment or are you one of those who continue to conform and to do what you are told even if it harms others?

Yes I've also thought about the Milgram experiment recently in relation to this issue. And I think the Stanford Prison experiment has some parallels with the woke knee jerk misogyny against gender critical women encouraged by transactivism, supported by people who claim to believe in fairness and equality.

The only thing that stops people who are determined to abuse children from abusing children is stopping all access to children.

YY but I think this whole "virtuous paedophile" movement is positioning paedophiles as victims of their "sexual orientation" who should be helped to play a full role in society, including being allowed to be around children.

Yes I agree erish - and look at how that’s strategised. They’ve realised that getting linked into progressive thinking and pitching it as an orientation will get social approval and perhaps even legal protection

Talk about the law of unintended consequences.

I used to think that Lisa Muggeridge was being a tad too harsh when she said that child abuse always occurs in plain sight and with consensus (political, media, institutions, public).

Penis packers? Puberty blockers?

I don't think that any more.

I used to think that Lisa Muggeridge was being a tad too harsh when she said that child abuse always occurs in plain sight and with consensus (political, media, institutions, public).

She is dead right. I’d not really thought of it like that before, but when you see it, you can’t unsee it.

And that’s why she was targeted.

I used to think that Lisa Muggeridge was being a tad too harsh when she said that child abuse always occurs in plain sight and with consensus (political, media, institutions, public).

I always thought she was stating the bleeding fucking obvious!

And that’s why she was targeted.

Indeed it is. Nobody wants to confront their own sins and/or complicity.

She'll be right again when this house of cards eventually falls: there will be the same consensus but with lynch mobs pretending they were never complicit in the first place.

I always thought she was stating the bleeding fucking obvious!

She was/is. Maybe I’m naive, but the realisation that instruments of the state in general are involved and supporting has been an unpleasant realisation for me. I’d assumed institutional involvement with certain churches, homes etc, but to see institutions like the NHS and the police involved has been so disturbing. It’s shattered my faith in them and made me examine my politics in a way I never have. :(

Grooming isn't about grooming children. It's grooming adult society to not care or not take the risk seriously.

The thing is the dynamics involved: the consensus holds... until it doesn't. For example, the on street grooming scandals were in the same plain sight. Some of the victims were prosecuted, FFS. Everyone knew. Those trying to draw attention were uniformly demonised. And then, suddenly, the original consensus shatters and a new one replaces it - the new consensus being the search for scalps to assuage guilt.

What shatters the original consensus and how?

Grooming isn't about grooming children. It's grooming adult society to not care or not take the risk seriously.

This!

on street grooming scandals

A cynic might say that the grooming circles were busted as a sacrificial lamb. I believe that they were stopped as a distraction. The men involved were not highly placed in society and so could be rounded up and dealt with without endangering anyone further up the food chain. There was a critical mass reached of outrage about it and something needed to happen or awkward questions would be asked. The media and the public get a sense of Something Being Done. What’s actually been done is one awful part of a huge problem has been exposed but the rest of it continues unabated.

CSE reaches every level of society and is entrenched deeply. The involvement of the NHS and our institutions like the police and BBC gives me little hope the true extent will ever be uncovered.

Grooming isn't about grooming children. It's grooming adult society to not care or not take the risk seriously.

We know predators first groom adults in families to get at children. We’re just now witnessing it on a national if not a global scale.

Just thinking out loud, but I have to say, when you see it operating, you do find yourself asking "Am I the oddity? Is there some sickness in the heart of the human animal that sees children as legitimate targets for exploitation, grooming and abuse?"

Because it seems like basic normality to me to protect the young from these things. That it is right and proper to stop paedophiles, and to prevent the young making permanent decisions they are unprepared for.

But it increasingly seems to me that there is a sizeable body of my species that sees children as a commodity to abuse, as workers, soldiers, experiments or sexual partners.

I mean, I am more than happy to the oddity if that's what I am, but it's a devastating conclusion to come to, and I very much want to be wrong.

We’re just now witnessing it on a national if not a global scale.

Here's the Implementation Handbook for the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child

One of the authors is Peter Newell, a convicted paedophile.

He made sure that gender identity was included under Article 8 of the Convention, the right of the child to preserve his or her identity.

A big thank you to a couple of posters on another thread for digging all that up.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3516576-New-consultation-on-Relationships-and-Sexuality-Education-in-schools-in-Wales

I've posted on that thread with regards to the Unicef Rights Respecting Schools award.

It used a different document to list the rights and the word gender doesn't appear in the longer document, only in a shorter summary meaning sex (though we know the issues that come with confusing those words.)

These are what teachers would use to refer to:

www.unicef.org.uk/rights-respecting-schools/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/01/Summary-of-the-UNCRC.pdf

www.unicef.org.uk/rights-respecting-schools/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/01/UNCRC-in-full.pdf

However it often says "or other status" when listing characteristics such as race, sex etc.

One of the authors is Peter Newell, a convicted paedophile.

Jesus Christ.