Bloody hell BBC

[WorkingItOutAsIGo]

Reading the BBC news online this morning and there is not one, but two stories about transgender people. One promoting the transition of a small child, and the other promoting sport for transgender athletes. The latter in particular looks like a direct attempt to counter the news discussion over the last few days in sport.

This isn’t news, it’s wartime propaganda.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation
I've only heard about this, not a higher incidence of transsexualism.
Mind you, we're taking out a chunk of potentially gay adults by transing them in childhood so it might be the same phenomenon

One towel, two towels - whatever, right?

But interesting to hear the line about parent preferences because I was very much a tomboy growing up, hated 'girly' stuff, and my mother would sometimes excuse me by saying that when I was born my dad had wanted another boy (because he had only sisters and had longed for a brother).

I wonder if I subconsciously picked that up, and certainly that to my dad (not to say the whole of our civilisation) being a girl was inferior to being a boy. In fact my first instinct when I hear about a MtF trans person is to think it's crazy that anyone would actually want to be a woman - even though I'm a very happy (not at all pink-brained) woman now, and it's not exactly a level playing field either.

I had a friend in university who was part of the trans community. I once asked her why so often we see MtF looking like drag queens. The answer was that a lot of trans people transition after puberty and so never had the chance to experiment growing up or learn from their parents about what looks good clothes and make up wise. So why then are these parents encouraging Autumn to wear lots of make up instead of teaching "normal" girl like behaviour???

I completely disagree with them putting this out there for all to see, it's not fair on Autumn. That said if Autumn did decide in the future they don't want this information out there, couldn't they apply for it to be taking down as part of the right to be forgotten?

There was a Louis Theroux programme where the boy seemed to be acting the role he thought the particular parent he was staying with expected to see. Girl with mother and boy, with no apparent issues, with the father. When asked how he saw his future by Theroux, he seemed to see himself in the role of husband and father. That was the point at which his mother seemed to accept nothing was set in stone and to just let him be, without labelling or medicalising him. It's still available on BBC iPlayer.

And is anyone getting frustrated that the parents featured are always the mothers? The fathers are either absent or silent. We very rarely hear from the father of a child who identifies as transgender. That post was in relation to this comment.

I'm also judging the parent of Antony. Some people will obviously do anything for 5 minutes of fame. Poor kid.

I’ve been debating whether or not to start a thread on what has recently happened with Tommy Robinson at the BBC and the similarities with how the BBC is treating feminists.

(Btw: I am not a fan of Tommy at all!)

But, Tommy is accusing the BBC of conspiring with left wing groups to create a negative picture of him. Whether this is true or not, I don’t know. However, what Tommy is accusing the BBC of is the same thing we are... which makes me think that he may be right?

The towel thing was a bit odd. My son uses about 4 towels when he goes in the shower so he must be very womanly
So does mine! And what the actual feck is 'feminine play'

The stuff about teen girls being taught to dress, apply make up and present naicely by older female relatives smacks of AGPs fetishising girlhood to me...

Thanks for mentioning the Louis Theroux show I hadn’t realised it was still available

That butterflies show was a shambles

This BBC documentary from 2017 (filmed in Canada) got shown once and then pulled from worldwide release/Iplayer.

vimeo.com/247163584

Can't believe that after 5 years' plus worth of carefully-argued feminist refutation we are still being expected to accept towel-based womanliness quotients as some kind of given.

I am so very, very tired of this absolute fucking drivel

Just seen the towel based argument. DH has always used a minimum of 3. After the best part of 40 years together; has he been trying to tell me something? Stop this madness.

The stuff about teen girls being taught to dress, apply make up and present naicely by older female relatives smacks of AGPs fetishising girlhood to me...

As the second of 5 sisters, growing up in the 50s and 60s I don't remember my mother or grandmother doing any of that. We did our make-up experimentation as sisters, usually out of the house as our father was a bit old-fashioned about us going out plastered in make-up, and that was when we were 15, not 9!

I've just told my 3-towel son that he's more a of a woman than I'll ever be.

And I agree - discovered make up in the 60s and no way would you have taken advice from older relatives.

There's a whole thread from Christine Burns

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1102646116909309956

One wonders how anyone managed to demonstrate which sex they were before the advent of cheap, easily available makeup and multiple towels on demand.

I am so very, very tired of this absolute fucking drivel

As Christine Burns admits: "The general public are being groomed. Every day."

She adds: "At this moment in time, Autumn is very settled into living as a female and, when she talks about the future and her dreams, it's about being a mother and getting married to the man of her dreams.

Why isn't Autumn's mother - or anyone else - explaining to Autumn that they will never be a mother because it is biologically impossible? And that a heterosexual man is going to be very uninterested in marrying Autumn because Autumn won't have working female genitals? And that probably a gay man won't be interested either, because Autumn will look like a woman?

How do you use 3 towels at once? I feel like I need a diagram.

I'm really perplexed about the towel thing. If you have long hair I can understand you might want one for your hair and one for your body.
Otherwise why does anyone need more than one towel? And why would a bloke need three?
What do they do with them????

I think one for his head, one to tie around his middle while he swans around and one for .... I can imagine but no way am I asking him.

More importantly I hope none of you posters are washing and drying all these towels for them!
Three towels FFS...

no way am I asking him

Tell him some random lesbian on the internet wants to know

Ok I'll ask

He's done his own washing since he was 11.